Zimmerman has more than adequately demonstrated a propensity for foolish and rash behavior. He need only have grabbed Martin by the hoodie to constitute an assault on his person, and this is not an outlandish speculation, given that he had just pursued him, mere minutes after saying “These assholes always get away.”
What evidence regarding Martin’s disposition or state of mind suggests to you that he was likely to launch into a violent assault?
Didn’t you see me say it was common sense? I don’t need evidence for common sense.
No, it’s common sense. You can’t argue with that.
I say it is common sense. And yes, it is racist to kill young men because someone thinks they are scary Negroes.
your post was a childish response to my supposition regarding a person under assault yelling for help rather than the person being assaulted. All your posts are filled with emotion rather than reasoned thought. I realize this is IMHO but your opinions are based on irrational emotions and not the facts at hand.
Your “scary Negroes” comment is pure emotional racist bullshit on your part and demeans the conversation.
Nothing gets by you.
Here’s my evidence.
Just as I told Shodan, his opinion only addresses the problems associated with identiying the specific person who is doing the yelling.
It doesn’t address anything about whether the sound is consistent with a violent struggle.
Why you even need an expert to tell you that anyway, when common sense should suffice, is beyond me. Again, if Zimmerman claims he was being suffocated and slipping into unconsciousness when he fired on Martin, it’s ridiculous to insist that he could be screaming at the same time. We’ll have to see what his statement says.
You’re right that it would constitute assault on Martin. THERE’S NO EVIDENCE IT HAPPENED. What is so hard to understand about this? Yes, it would substantially alter the situation. I would like nothing better than to see evidence that this happened. I have no love for Zimmerman. However, absent EVIDENCE it is unlikely that Zimmerman would commit a crime after inviting the police to show up.
Martin was a troubled kid on suspension from school. He was challenged as to why he was in the neighborhood. I think he was insulted by this. And while this is speculation it’s not speculation that he assaulted Zimmerman. Putting a “why” to it is secondary to the actually act of assault.
Um WHAT? Have you listened to the tape? multiple shouts of help, space, then gun shot. Clearly there is a struggle going on.
All you have to do to stop blood flow to the brain is press on the artery. It happens VERY quickly. Your vision immediately starts to narrow. I don’t know if they still allow it in Judo tournaments but you could do this to an opponent. It’s scary and the reaction is usually an immediate surrender. It does not involve choking off the airway.
The tape backs up Zimmerman’s account.
If I am reading correctly, it looks like Zimmerman’s statement’s to the police are exempt from the sunshine law as defendant confessions.
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/05/17/3615984/evidence-released-in-trayvon-martin.html
I wonder if text messages are covered by attorney-client privilege?
I also notice in the discovery exhibits, that the cell phone records only cover from 3-7 to 3-22. Did Zimmerman change his phone number?
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/CJC3rdFlCScan20120515084012.pdf
Page 7 of 8.
Also in the Orlando Sentinel
If Zimmerman is innocent, what has he got to hide? Sounds like you think he has something to worry about.
You don’t know this. That’s the point.
From the bond hearing transcript, when the prosecutor (Unidentified Male) was questioning the investigator (Gilbreath) about Zimmerman’s statements:
Note, however, that the witness does not actually identify the evidence. He simply says that Zimmerman made a claim, and that there is other evidence that contradicts the claim.
At trial, that testimony would not be permissible. It invades the province of the fact-finder.
It backs up his timeline of a struggle.
English , please?
Also, did you ever comment on the hearing at length? I didn’t see it if you did. Did you think the prosecutor was unprepared and came off looking bad? Wasn’t there any way for him to object to Zimmerman’s apology, or do a better cross? It would have been an opportunity to have Zimmerman set out his story prior to discovery if he had been able to do it, no? I wasn’t impressed.
What timeline is that?
Look, ten-day suspensions for traces of weed and writing “WTF” on a locker door are not good indications of a predisposition to commit violent assault - particularly in the context of being a house-guest very close to his hosts’ doors.
There is evidence regarding Martin’s state of mind, to the effect that he was spooked and eager to evade Zimmerman.
It true that there is no **direct **evidence that Zimmerman put his hands on Martin, but this is at least explicable in the context of the other evidence. Zimmerman’s narrative (at least as far as we have received it) is not, and there is no direct evidence that Martin launched into an unprovoked assault.
The only evidence we have that Zimmerman was assaulted by Martin is his own statement to that effect, and this is outright contradicted by actual evidence in some ways (such as Trayvon threatening him in his truck) and seems dubious when considered in light of other facts in evidence (such as the fact that he was engaged in a phone call when he is alleged to have sought Zimmerman out and started a fight with him.)
Nobody disputes that Martin was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot, but the important bit is how and why they came to be in that situation. It only makes sense to try to explain what happened based on what we know about the situation and the players. We have been told that Zimmerman was sucker-punched with very little provocation by someone who was a guest in the neighborhood and steps away from where he was staying, who was in the middle of a chat with his girlfriend. This is an extraordinary claim. If Martin had such a hair trigger, when do we hear about his other violent outbursts? What was he going to do, beat the neighbour to a bloody pulp and then nonchalantly wander the few doors back down to his dad’s girlfriend’s place?
Does this really seem more plausible to you than Zimmerman (acting in the earnest belief that he was helping end a rash of burglaries) thoughtlessly collared a teenager and got more than he bargained for?
The timeline of being hit/head struck on pavement/choked. It’s roughly a 1/2 minute to a minute of assault.
Cite for this timeline? The scream on that call lasts longer than 30 secs, just by itself.
no, he was clearly assaulted my Martin.
To a troubled black kid who bills himself as NO_LIMIT_NIGGA I would expect a challenge to his presence in the neighborhood to be inflammatory. I’ve been challenged 2 houses away from my own house and was insulted but as a homeowner I understood the question was ultimately for my benefit. Martin probably wouldn’t have seen it that way. Had he not been shot he could have claimed anything in the fight and it would have been his word against Zimmerman. That’s all speculation and not relevant to the fact that Martin was assaulting Zimmerman.
Zimmerman was the one who called the police. I really don’t see him assaulting Martin knowing this. Martin on the other hand, did not know the police were en-route.