Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread

  1. I’m basing his statements on what has been leaked in the press so far, recounted by his family and other sources, and what has been alluded to by the prosecution at the bond hearing while under oath. Same as everyone else here in this opinion and speculation thread. If it turns out that all those versions are wrong, we are free to change our opinions, with no harm to the defendant. This isn’t a court of law.

  2. Where did I say you mentioned it?

The EMT records are not available at this time, but recordings of the interviews w/ the EMTs are available.
The Dr report isn’t available and I don’t think that they interviewed him.

What is the document on page 181? Is it not the EMT report?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/93960335/Documents#fullscreen

When interviewed by the FDLE, one of the EMTs told the PD that Z might need to go and get some stitches and asked the PD is they wanted him to take Z or if the PD were going to take him.

I forget if it was Rochefort or Livingston of who at this point though.

Well, I wonder what EMT records are on the exemption list then since there are indeed EMT records in what has been released.

The autopsy reports the bullet trajectory as pretty much front to back from the left side of Martin’s chest. I was expecting more of a right to left trajectory. FtoB seems to indicate more separation between Zimmerman and Martin than I was expecting.
If Martin was straddling Zimmerman then I would expect the bullet to have an upward trajectory.

This is a place where Zimmerman’s statement would be handy or better yet an exit wound where we could see where the bullet ended up.

I smell a Perry Mason moment where the prosecutor throws an orange to Zimmerman in court and he catches it with his left hand. Aha!

It entered on the L side of his xyphoid process and ended up in the R lung, right?

The trajectory is only horizontal to M’s body, but that doesn’t mean that it was horizontal in re the horizon.
There’s no reason to assume that M was perfectly vertical when he was shot.
If he was leaning over some, an upward trajectory would be horizontal in re M’s body / hips.

Does anyone remember when Zimmerman’s first lawyer said the guy had repeatedly asked to go to the hospital, but the police wouldn’t let him leave? And we had that big ole discussion if the police had the right to do this to someone who they had not arrested?

Why are we now hearing that Zimmerman repeatedly declined medical treatment?

If you have a magnifying feature on your browser, use it on Zimmerman’s head.

The EMT report only cites one cut. Therefore, any others were inflicted after the EMT examined him.

Because someone is lying.

Well, I wonder what EMT records are on the exemption list then since there are indeed EMT records in what has been released.

The 1st lawyers hadn’t ever really talked to Z face to face and they had not had discovery?

Yet we have an EMT report that says one small laceration. To be fair, the next day medical report from Zimmerman’s doctor that was leaked to ABC notes two lacerations:

So one was nearly an inch and one was about a quarter inch. Maybe the EMT didn’t consider the quarter inch as a separate laceration (?), but how is it that both records are not noting anything more consistent with repeated head bashing like a possible concussion or TBI symptoms?

Or the second one wasn’t worth mentioning? Or was small enough to go unnoticed?

Good question. Could it be related to statements Zimmerman made to the EMT workers?

Perhaps the head and pavement angle has received more attention on the internet than it did IRL.

Just because so many on the internet have taken that aspect and run w/ it doesn’t mean that Z felt the same way.

I haven’t finished listening to all of the interviews yet, but in the EMT interview I did listen to, the guy who treated Z said that Z made no statements to him. The investigator asked him the question more than once in different ways and also asked the same about Martin. The EMT was clear that neither M nor Z made any statements to him.
But there were other people there. As I said I haven’t finished listening to everything.
So when the PD report notes that Z made a statement to the EMTs, perhaps it was a different EMT.

The darkened areas are abrasions, which occur when the skin is rubbed against a hard surface. They aren’t life threatening, so they were apparently ignored.