Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread

Zimmerman isn’t exactly a movie star. Since there’s so little actual info, it’s hard to know what’s true, but she may simply have wanted too much money.

I think Zimmerman also said that transfer didn’t work because of paypal, so O’Mara may have taken that into account.

I listened to the whole witness 9 tapes now. I came away from listening to her interviews having enormous sympathy… for George Zimmerman.

W9 is a melodramatic fruit basket desperate for drama and attention. Her account is over-the-top and ridiculous. If anything even happened at all, then she obviously didn’t object to it until much later, when she retroactively convinced herself that George “made her” do it.

At the worst time in his life, she calls the police, team Crump, the prosecution, and anyone else that will listen to malign Zimmerman and his family as blatant racists- and tell her dramatic tale of how a 7 or 8 year old cousin of roughly the same age touched her naughty parts under a blanket?

Then ten years later, when she is 16, she drives over to his house at his invitation, and lies down on his bed so he can massage her? Then three years later, she and her family decide to meet Zimmerman to discuss this extremely sensitive family matter at a public restaurant?

I know the Politically Correct thing to do is to:

  1. Cry my eyes out for the innocent black child and feel a sense of outrage at the racist murderer that gunned him down.
  2. Accept this lady’s accusations at face value and feel a sense of outrage at her “abuser” who made her life a living hell.

The problem is that I know BS when I see it. I think the initial narrative of events presented by “witness” 9 has as much credibility as the initial narrative of events presented by Crump.

Lest you think I am without a heart… I feel badly that Trayvon’s parents lost a son. And I feel badly about this lady’s internal emotional conflict about what happened.

The problem is that they both have convinced themselves that hanging George Zimmerman is the way to deal with it, when the circumstances do not seemingly warrant it.

I think they both need to take some responsibility. Feel free to tell me what a horrible person I am- or any other snarky ad hominem you’d like.

I don’t know, miss. Maybe violent thug-child rapists are okay in your community. They ain’t in mine. Put this monster behind bars. Let’s take out the trash.

But not poor ol Georgie, though huh? No responsibility for him in any of his actions right? Everyone else needs to take responsibility but not sad sympathetic victim Zimmerman.

gag

:rolleyes:

Consensual sexual contact with a cousin? He was 7 or 8 years old when he played doctor and 17 when she drove over to his house for a massage. She needs to put on her big girl panties and accept the fact that he didn’t make her do jack squat. Nothing to be ashamed of. Stuff happens. Get over it. At any rate, it was over ten years ago when he was a kid.

He pushed a plain-clothes cop who he thought was attacking his friend. Whoop de doo. He was held accountable- and that was 8 years ago.

His fiance slapped him in the face when he was chewing gum. Later, he slapped her in the face when she was chewing gum. Whoop de doo. They kissed and made up- life went on.

After receiving a broken nose and a bloody head, and screaming for help to no avail, he finally shot someone in self-defense. Good for him. He has nothing to apologize for.

Being dishonest at a bond hearing (at his attorney’s recommendation)? He should be held accountable- and he was.

What about Angela Corey an De La Rionda? Did they mentor children? Did they speak out on behalf of a homeless black man? Did they volunteer to do something constructive about crime in their communities?

As Investigator Serino said, Zimmerman’s the “good guy”. With all the mudslinging and BS, it’s easy to forget that, but it’s true. His friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers have testified to his true character.

Everybody’s got skeletons in their closet. And these are the worst things the prosecution can find on him. At some point, we’ll be talking about what the defense has to say about Zimmerman.

To the peanut gallery Z-haters, I’d love to see some of your lives held to a microscope. I bet it wouldn’t be too pretty- and I bet you wouldn’t handle it with anywhere near the class that Zimmerman has.

I agree that the “violent thug-child” was a monster that didn’t belong in our community. I hope that Zimmerman will “take out” more in the future.

Christ, emeraldia, can you post a picture of yourself so I can confirm that you are indeed not George Zimmerman?

Upthread you seemingly positioned yourself as an impassive observer of facts. Yet you are spinning every permutation of possibility in favor of Zimmerman, and against Witness #9.

Let me say this: I am no saint. I’ve done a lot of stupid things in nearly four decades, but I’ve avoided being arrested for assaulting a police officer, and nobody would ever accuse me of workplace harassment or molesting a relative.

Maybe Zimmerman has really, really bad luck?

And predictably you find fault with Martin’s missteps, but wave away those of Zimmerman? To the point of suggesting that the alleged abuse of the cousin was consensual or not harmful?

Let’s see, we have a dead neighbor, a sexually abused female relative, and a harassed co-worker.

You’re right. They have testified to George’s true character. They certainly have.

I love the wink wink, nudge nudge at the ‘willingly cooperated’ suggestions aimed at the female cousin. ‘She must not have minded, hell she probably enjoyed it’. It’s disgusting. Are we still back in the ‘blame the victim, she had it coming’ 1940s? :smack:

Tell me - would you think the same way about George if the cousin was a little boy?

“They were just goofing around! That’s what boys do!”

Those are all ghetto arguments. The reflexive defense mechanism of women who expect to see most of their male relatives go to jail at some point.

Sex with family members is always wrong. Assaults against police officers who are lawfully doing their jobs are always wrong. Lying to the court is always wrong.

Stop passing out excuses like candy, and start taking some responsibility.

That’s reciprocal, too.

All the best people have quality friends who’ll cheerfully do time without incriminatng them.

[QUOTE=George Zimmerman]

I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book. Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!
[/QUOTE]

Yep. Damn near one step away from saint-hood, is George.

What do you mean when you say “alleged”? Are you suggesting that no one has come forward to verify her story?

Are you verifying W9’s claims of racism? Are you verifying W9’s claim of molestation?

IIRC, the undercover, plainclothes officer who arrested Zimmerman was later killed by his fellow officers when he did not identify himself as a police officer (why does that sound familiar?) and began firing his weapon.

Are you disappointed that Sharpton and Spike Lee and the New Black Panthers didn’t drag Zimmerman to the nearest tree and end all this “innocent until proven guilty” nonsense?

Yes, she alleges that he molested her. It may or may not be true. I just find it interesting that Zimmerman apologists are so quick to dismiss the possibility.

BTW, how does one verify molestation? It’s extremely difficult to do, because molesters don’t typically do this shit publicly. I read that there was a confrontation involving his parents and GZ was disinvited from family gatherings. We’ll have to see.

It’s amazing to me that every time an allegation of misdeed comes up, Team GZ waves it away… not considering the possibility of it. Conversely when something comes up regarding Trayvon Martin one doesn’t hear the same consideration.

A cop was killed in the line of duty. Let’s celebrate!

And it’s not child rape if she really, really wanted it.

Okay, glad we got that settled.

Some of your recent posts seem way, way too over-exaggeratedly hyperbolic, imho.

Are these unproven statements intended to inflame the lynch mobs?

W9 can’t even provide proof of her own claims of racism. After that claim didn’t get the attention she thought it deserved, she then claimed she was molested. W9 claims she told her parents. Have the parents verified this claim? Did her parents actually arrainge a meeting with Zimmerman’s parents to discuss this?

W9 claims this also happened to another woman BUT THE OTHER WOMAN WILL DENY ANYTHING HAPPENED. Maybe there is no other woman. Do you care? Lynch mobs don’t requre proof, just a rope.