If you look more closely only the first screen is actually related to him or speech science at all. I count 7 links total. Tom Owen is a very common name.
I can’t, but my sister’s a doctor who currently works an ER and has seen/treated countless patients who have been in situations wherein their heads were bashed against hard (including concrete) surfaces, and she’s rather adamant that the wounds shown in the ‘alleged’ Zimmerman head injury photo are simply not consistent with such trauma, and had his head actually been repeatedly ‘bashed’ against a concrete surface, there would be very visible open gashes etc., rather than (what appear to be) just capillary oozing/surface abrasions, not to mention there would also be some degree of scaring etc., of which there was absolutely none visible on Zimmerman’s head during his recently bail hearing (as viewed in 1080p HD).
Additionally: She’s also curious as to why, if Zimmerman suffered such severe injuries, the paramedics/law enforcement failed to take him to the hospital immediately after sustaining the ‘alleged’ head trauma as the possibility of a concussion would be rather high, requiring at least an MRI/X-Ray/CT scan at the very least ?
you would be placing an EMT in the position of guessing what external injury would signal the fear of an internal injury capable of triggering the need for self defense. It’s not that the external wound is life threatening, it’s that it’s a show of force indicating an internal trauma capable of instilling fear of death.
would you like to rethink this line of thought?
Question to expert doctor witness… Would a single strike to the head be capable of making someone disoriented.
Answer: Yes.
Question: How many strikes to the head with a solid object would you estimate to trigger fear in someone?
Answer: I don’t know.
Question: 2, 10, 20?
Answer, a few. I have documented many cases of people knocked unconscious with a single blow to the head with a blunt instrument. Blows to the head against a solid surface are a serious event.
No, I don’t agree. I have been slammed into grass playing high school football and had cuts and bleeding. Nonetheless, I knew it was not concrete.
A superficial injury is not a problem if, and only if, his statement was consistent with superficial injury. If he had superficial injury and a statement that definitively claimed serious injury, he has a serious problem.
??? Pardon? I have absolutely no idea what you are saying to me here.
But as for Owen…he’s the Chair Emeritus of the [FONT=Trebuchet MS]American Board of Recorded Evidence, which is an Advisory Board under the American College of Forensic Examiners (ACFEI). The standards they use for voice ID are very extensive. in other words, he’s pretty much the man when it comes to this stuff.
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I don’t know if Zimmerman refused medical treatment. Do you?
Nor did I see a 1080p close up of the back of Zimmerman’s head during the hearing. I may have missed it – can you gie me the approximate time you got a good view so I can review?
Now, if your sister were a witness, I might ask her how many patients she has diagnosed by photo, and whether in her best medical opinion more information can be gained from a photo or an in-person examination. And then I’d ask her: if she were to learn that medical professionals who had seen the patient in person had reached a different medical conclusion, would she still believe her photo-based diagnosis was the best possible medical opinion.
Yes, but he’s using a technique which has not gained general acceptance in the scientific community. He did not use the accepted standards, which require exemplars of the voice under similar conditions.
Please stop bringing up this whole ‘fear of dying nonsense’ as it has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Zimmerman, his brother and his father appear to have drastically exaggerated/lied regarding the severity of the head injuries, and if he/they lied about this, then there’s reason to believe that they’re lying about any number of other pertinent details.
The timing makes me suspect that the rest of the evidence is rather weak. They didn’t indict Zimmerman until they got DeeDee’s statement. The rest of the evidence they should have had for weeks. Why would they sit on the indictment if they already had probable cause? They are dealing with a person who speaks Spanish, had a passport and had already left the state of Florida and last week they didn’t want to grant bond to.
Also Gilbreath already ruled out many sources of evidence during his testimony Friday.
The doctor isn’t called for the purpose of establishing the fear. He’s called to rebut the factual claims of events relayed by the accused. As such, the questions about fear would be out of the scope of direct.
I’m not exaggerating anything and fear of dying is huge portion of the case. What his family relayed is meaningless second hand account. What is relevant is the evidence at hand and how it stacks up to the 5 hrs of police interviews. the whole purpose of interviewing a suspect over and over again is to get relevant changes in the story. This is what is what will play out in court.
No, he didn’t. He ruled out his knowing about many other sources of evidence. What’s to say another investigator would have answered those questions differently?
establishing imminent danger is a huge part of the case. Is the wound consistent with a head strike to cement. yes or no. Would such an event disorient a person medically, yes or no.
If you think the court can withhold comment on the number of head blows it takes to cause a person to panic I think there will be expert medical witnesses available who can testify to that. the prosecutor will attempt to show he wasn’t wounded in a manner that would trigger fear and panic and the defense will counter that.
The mere fact that Zimmerman’s father and brother, in an excess of zeal, exaggerated their relative’s dire straits, that’s not immutable against Zimmerman, is it?
And don’t give me leaks from police sources – the police are part of the team trying to convict him.
What I’m saying is that he only a few publications. The things you are mentioning are an indications that he is good at smoozing, not academic credentials.
Did you every look at the American College of Forensic Examiners? Obviously not or you wouldn’t mention it.
I had no reason to record the hearing, but as he approached the witness stand every side of Zimmerman’s head was quite visible, and there were no signs that his head had been repeatedly bashed against a concrete sidewalk a mere 7 weeks ago, nor was there any visibly missing patches of hair, which would be the usual end result of such injury/scaring.
As for your rather inane inquiry as to if my sister was ‘a witness’,… Of Course Not, but she has extensive experience (17+ years) with these kinds of injuries nonetheless, and given that the photo is a close-up, she’s confident that something is amiss with the story of ‘repeated bashing against a concrete sidewalk’.
The problem is that this repeated bashing stories keeps coming up, even though Zimmerman didn’t say that.
The Orlando Sentinel said Several Times and corrected it in a later edition.
I just happened to save the earlier version in Everdata and noticed it was changed in the final edition. If you want to accuse Zimmerman of lying, you should limit it to things he actually said.