There is a possibility of a plea or an attached manslaughter charge.
Include the manslaughter, and we have a bet.
If I am wrong, you will get a money order in the mail.
Simply PM me your address or PO box after the verdict, and you will have your money.
I don’t see how the prosecution can fuck this up…
He had several opportunities to retreat–SEVERAL.
He exhausted his opportunities BY HIS OWN CHOICE, NOT MARTIN’S.
He choose not to, because he had to make this collar to show lazy Sanford PD “how it’s done”.
He didn’t exhaust jackshit.
he was suspected of trespassing. He cut through the yard of a house (previously robbed) and was standing in the yard (in the rain) looking around. This was the suspicious activity that started the phone call.
He was requested not to follow and he complied. I agree he was not obliged to keep Martin in sight but it was most certainly a prudent thing to do. It’s a valuable tool for officers to have eye witnesses who can direct them to where suspects are.
The Coroner didn’t list head trauma in the report: "The scalp is intact without contusions or lacerations. The calvarium is likewise intact without bony abnormalities or fractures. "
Zimmerman’s story is consistent with the evidence. How is Zimmerman a narcissist? what media grandstanding?
Global edema was listed.
cite your evidence that he escaped from Martin’s attack and could have retreated.
cite the Sanford Police Department is lazy. This is just pure slander on your part. They were minutes from arriving at the scene. Seems like they got there pretty quick.
Cite there was an indication Martin was going to stop.
That’s not head trauma. What evidence is there that the head was struck, punched, wacked, smacked, skinned, flayed, punctured, cut, abraised or otherwise harmed in any way by Zimmerman?
Let’s talk edema then.
Where did it come from? At what point did Martin sustain this injury…because it IS an injury.
martin’s attack…yeah. whatever.
Where the hell are the injuries that would conform to having your head “pounded into the pavement” for over a minute?
Zimmerman was remarkably calm afterwards.
Sanford’s PD being lazy was said by Zimmerman–at an earlier date. I think you want to check your use of the word “slander”
cite Zimmerman claimed his head was pounded in the the pavement for over a minute.
I would think shooting someone would be a traumatic experience causing shock.
no I don’t. I’m not going to argue with you over the word. You know exactly what I meant. You’re statement had no basis of fact.
Why would the prosecution agree to a plea if they have (as you think) a solid murder-2 case?
Yes, it is an injury. Does Zimmerman have Telekinetic powers? Or would swelling occur from trauma to the vascular system as a result of a gun shot followed by the force of chest compressions by paramedics.
At the time immediately prior to the shot he had no opportunity to retreat. That’s what the law addresses. If you don’t believe me, ask Bricker.
Again, don’t PUT YOURSELF IN THAT SITUATION. Simple.
Wait for the damn cops at the club house as he initially wanted to do.
Tell the damn kid “Hey relax, neighborhood watch”.
You mean to tell me that jurors (assuming a trial) won’t be looking at these things?
Isn’t there something called a reasonable person standard?
Again, don’t attack strangers in the street even if you think they are “creepy” and followed you. Simple.
But we’re talking about the law. The law already took care of the “put yourself in that situation” thing by making a provision where the defendant is the “aggressor”. And even in that circumstance, the law still says he is entitled to be defending himself, including with lethal force.
If you’re saying the jurors, when deciding this case, will ignore the law - maybe, but I wouldn’t count on it. Not everyone is as dismissive of the law as you are.
How is Zimmerman suppose to know there’s a situation? He wasn’t doing anything wrong. Martin knew he was watching him and the evidence shows he brought the situation to Zimmerman. The phone call narrates everything that happened and Zimmerman loses sight of Martin. He never leaves the sidewalk. The person who put himself in the situation that got himself killed was Martin.
That would be a complete waste of time.
You’re right. And Martin could have said “Hey relax, I live right over there”. Except Martin didn’t give him a chance. Based on Dee Dee’s phone call it started after Zimmerman spoke.
No, the jury will not be looking at legal activity that occurred prior to the assault.
Before any altercation, Martin was already behind the houses and Zimmerman was in his car.
Considering Martin was killed behind the houses, how is that Martin bringing the situation to Zimmerman?
Thank you..my goodness.
This guy really has an interesting theory:
He claims that Zimmerman entered the house of W11…he says clicking sounds on the 911 tape sound like porch doors opening.
He also claims that this scenario matches up with the timeline of him approaching Martin–he also says that the porch lights coming on is a dead giveaway.
Very fascinating stuff.
What do you guys think, especially** monstro** and you with the face (I already know what the others will say lol). ?
Also, any medical people out there, can we PLEASE have a discussion about Martin’s global edema?
I think this is extremely important.