Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread

Lynch mob…

Love that racial imagery.

Love it.

Dude, it’s in the document dump. They tested his fingernails and clothes for Zimmerman’s blood and DNA. This is ridiculously old news and I described the results a several pages ago. If you’re truly curious about what was found, do your own homework because it’s a waste of my time to post the same links over and over again, only to have you guys not read it.

I don’t need to give a cite for the hands testing. At trial, the State will call the criminologists to the stand and they will explain their procedures for evidence collection via visual inspection and/or forensics testing. The limitations of their results, if any, will then be clear.

Again, for the upteenth time, it will be up to the defense to explain away the uncanniness of the negative findings, if they expect to convince the jury that Martin attacked Zimmerman in the way that was claimed. The prosecution does not have to prove that every inch of Martin’s skin was tested and found free of Zimmerman’s blood to make their case for murder.

Because as soon as it’s drummed into their head that ‘if you have ANY doubt’ …you must acquit.

Some of them will make that their mission.

Absolutely.

I would love to see pictures of Martin’s jeans, but then again, he was face down in the grass too after Zimmerman shot him.

That might affect things.

But regardless, I would love to see what evidence they have on Martin’s jeans (also on his shoes and stuff).

This keeps being chanting throughout this thread as if it’s a profound statement. Idiotic people are idiotic. There’s no guarrantee that idiots will be in the jury box, though, so I recommend that you stop pinning your hopes and dreams on that happening. Especially since O’Mara has yet to overwhelm us with charismatic persuasiveness.

Yup. People have been sent away for crap that sometimes I shake my head about.

People have been sent away for utter bullshit, and for very long times.

Yet you have a case like this where the person ADMITTED to following and killing someone and there is this resistance among a certain crowd to have him sent to prison for it.

I don’t know if you’re from the US, but unfortunately, our system isn’t always fair, particularly to certain types of people.

In many of these cases, you simply have to look at what the defendant or victim looks like.

Usually when the perpetrator is of a certain hue, juries are more likely to convict and be harsh. This is proven.

When the victim is of a certain hue and the perpetrator is of a lighter one, juries are more likely to be lenient to the perpetrator.

That’s the way it is here.

Even O’Mara acknowledges this.

It has gotten better, but there are still many issues.

I think this is what undergirds much of the resistance–just read some of the blogs and watch some youtube videos…you’ll see the vitriol.

Many are operating under this archetype of black males…that’s why they are coming to certain conclusions about the confrontation and backing Zimmerman.

They believe them (as a whole) to be dangerous.

That’s why they believe Zimmerman. And if they are really honest (why unfortunately many are not), they’ll admit that.

It’s interesting that the document dump contains pictures of TM’s upper clothing, but none of his trousers, as if they added no evidential value to the case.

I bet Z is cursing the police on scene for not recording the obvious ground disturbance created by his life and death struggle.

Just out curiosity, when you see the Confederate flag, do you think “racism” or “succession” ?

Why can’t it be both?

No need to say someone is part of a “lynch mob” because they want Zimmerman convicted.

Totally unnecessary and inappropriate.

There is nothing about this case that hints at racism. To even bring it up at this point is unnecessary and inappropriate.

Is anybody else curious as to why a guy who is fighting for his life and then manages to get his hand on the gun he’s just been reminded he has, then only fires one shot? Isn’t it standard training to empty your gun into the centre of mass of any threat? There’s an argument there for it being one deliberate shot to silence the one person who could put paid to all his high ambitions of being a better judge than daddy.

I am calling you out on your red herring.

I said:

"Lynch mob…

Love that racial imagery.

Love it. "

It was in reference to a COMMENT a poster made.

Nice try.

So, you don’t want to see him jailed because he broke the law, or because he did something wrong, but because he upset someone, and to suggest other people that they shouldn’t act in a perfectly legal fashion - which following someone generally is.

Are you fucking serious? You are exactly as bad as the lynch mobs, you don’t care about the law or the evidence, you just care about your side winning. Disgusting.

There’s a murky undercurrent of racism beneath the entire river of thought on this topic.

Cause it only takes one shot?

Anyways, whose standard of training? Steven Seagal? (ok maybe that’s not fair, Lawman anyone?)

This is not the movies.

Only from the people who seem to want Zimmerman to goto jail or fry.
If these two men were white, the evidence, the hearsay and the speculations would be nearly identical.

  1. Zimmerman’s father has never been a judge.
  2. I am sure being accused of homicide in your mind is great for your career.

Watch you don’t fall off that horse, pardner. I’m not the one trying to defend a dumbass vigilante by making out his victim was a monster who attacked innocent do-gooders.

I agree, but I haven’t personally harped too much about that unless a specific poster WROTE something to that effect.

My “beef” has been more about Zimmerman’s credibility and his story as well as the plausibility that it was Martin and not Zimmerman who was engaged in self-defense.

It also has to do with the INTERPRETATION of the evidence.

I speculate it was because he was using his gun to attempt to end the fight, not with the intention of killing Zimmerman. I very much doubt it was a one shot execution, as you suggest.