He didn’t call the police, he called an nen number and made the most confusing complaint/report I’ve ever heard. If he’d designed his conversation to be purposely evasive, it couldn’t have been more useless.
It must be nice being able to chose whether he was in the shadows or down by his dad’s and him still be able to be at the T in time for Z to walk past without a care in the world other than finding a phantom address.
That’s not nice!
Lost him? How could he fucking lose him? He’d only walked about 20 yards past him. It certainly didn’t take him long to decide to follow and by all rights he should have had TM in his sights all the way to the dog path, unless he was already up ahead of TM, and I’m sure a smart guy like Z knows how to use his rear view mirrors.
He’s not approaching Z to get a lay of the land. He’s lying low for a moment while he tries to figure out his next move. As I’ve mentioned, if Z was still in the car when TM looked back and began to run, how was he to know that he wouldn’t drive ahead and be waiting for him? Ffs, give the lad the benefit of the doubt at least once.
Erm… whatever.
The evidence “indicates,” not proves the T as being where the fight begun, but it wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to throw a few objects into convenient places. You think this is beyond Z for some reason, but stranger things have happened.
He called the police and they were dispatched to the scene. There is zero doubt about this. Why would even suggest otherwise? Posting another plot without evidence just makes such a bizarre statement worse.
What does nice have to do with it? He’s not at the T intersection, and then he is. Zimmerman has a care in the world. He’s waiting for the police to arrive and heading back toward the location he directed them to.
you may have based a theory based on evidence but I don’t recall it.
According to Zimmerman Martin walked past him when he called the police. That involves going around the corner. And no, it wouldn’t take long to drive around the corner. And yes, he would have Martin in sight all the way to the T. And he wasn’t there.
How could he “drive ahead” if he’s not in his truck? What point are you trying to make?
”whatever” is everything. Either the evidence backs up his statements, is neutral, or contradicts. It’s the whole case.
It wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to post an infinite number of possibilities without evidence to back it up. You could at least give them 5 seconds of thought before posting them. The police arrived at the scene right after it happened and witnesses were watching Zimmerman. Not only would it be impossible for Zimmerman to go back and drop his flashlight it would serve no purpose. He would be creating evidence for a story that didn’t need to be concocted. The precise spot where the fight starts doesn’t matter. What matters is that his account is consistent with the evidence. Zimmerman would risk the contradiction of a witness if he tried to make something up.
Jesus, Shodan. That sentence I bolded above? Obviously, you’re unfamiliar with the basic facts of the case, and yet you still have so many opinions you must continue to share. Why are you so invested if you can’t be bothered to read an overview?
Innocent explanation? Here’s a few:
No housekey was found in Trayvon’s possession, so he may have feared that if he continued home, Chad may have not opened the door quickly enough, and Trayvon would have been trapped on the lighted stoop/porch.
He may have feared leading a creepy guy back to a house with no adults home.
He may have thought that any threat was gone and wanted to continue talking n private to a hot girl without his 13-year-old friend/stepbrother hanging all over him wanting to know what was going on.
What you say about motive here is interesting. When we look at crimes, we try to figure out whodunnit by looking at possible motives. This doesn’t always work of course, because out there we got crazy people who act according to motives that only make sense to themselves. Some murderers kill for money or revenge, and some kill because they snorted a bad batch of bath salts. The face-eaters of the world.
Here we got a shooter with a motive: to stop a rash of local break-ins, and to stop suspects from “getting away.” He’s on record as expressing anger at the dead boy, referring to him as one of “these assholes” and “f@cking punks.”
Here we have a dead guy with no logical reason to attack Zimmerman. Zimmerman’s speculation, that Martin knew that Zimmerman had called the cops on Martin, makes even less sense: what kind of idiot attacks when he knows the cops are on their way?
Martin’s previous transgressions all have logical motives. He was caught with weed? Motive: he wanted to get high. He vandalized school lockers? Motive: a prank. Even the rumored transgression, the story that he was in possession of possibly stolen property? Most logical motive of all: people steal to get stuff.
And yet Zimmerman’s supporters have no trouble at all believing that Trayvon was a face-eater. I find that curious.
Dimmy, from your use of the term estate, I’m thinking that you’re not American. Here we have the emergency response line (911) and the non-emergency number (usually 311, I believe). Both are the way to call police, but you’re supposed to call 911 for emergencies (fire, need an ambulance, just found a dead body), and the nen line for non-emergencies (potholes, graffiti, garbage). At both numbers, you speak to a dispatcher (maybe the same dispatcher) who is trained to determine what services you need.
I found that odd actually. A suspicious character who may be casing houses seems like an emergency to me, police were quickly dispatched, and I just have no idea why Zimmerman chose to bypass 911 and dial the number that I’d dial to report a knocked-over street sign.
Zimmerman’s clothes were kept and inventoried that night, so I think it’s reasonable to assume the contents of his pockets were at least noted. But I don’t recall coming across that information (and I don’t think I’m up for scanning through the pdf files of evidence tonight!) I have read elsewhere on the Internet that Zimmerman had no plastic or checks and under $3 cash on him, but even if true, that might just mean he had his bank card stashed in his vehicle. Or that he would have gone to the store and then remember at the check-out that he had left his bank card on his computer desk…we’ve all done that.
I do wonder if he wasn’t on the way to Target at all. I wonder if instead he was patrolling his neighborhood in his capacity as a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, and that maybe the Target story was just a throwaway lie to explain away the presence of his gun (NW volunteers are not supposed to carry firearms. It’s not illegal, but it’s against the NW rules).
And while I don’t think it’s odd to take your gun to Target, I think it’s mighty odd that six shells were still in his gun after the shooting. Apparently Zimmerman keeps one in the chamber, in case you ponderin’.
If only he had a phone to call Chad and tell him to turn the light off and open the door after 2 soft knocks.
If only he had a phone to call the police.
If only he had a phone that he could hang up so he could call the hot girl.
doesn’t sound like a good speculation on Zimmerman’s part does it? What does make sense is that a troubled kid took enough offense to a challenge for being in the neighborhood that he took a swing at Zimmerman and it spun out of control.
And that whole thing. Let us remember that a young Zimmerman had a Myspace where he called himself datniggytb and bragged about how his friends were so great they went to jail for something that Zimmerman himself did but never dropped a dime on him.
And you know what all that shows? It shows that American males in their late teens and early twenties like to look tough. Young deer ram their heads together using their antlers as weapons, young humans talk smack on the Internet.
But we do have to remember to choose our online names with care…after all, if you get shot by neighborhood watch, people are going to make assumptions about you.
Choose “peaceful” online handles to give people the impression you are a peaceful person.
Because we all know that online names speak VOLUMES about who we are as a person (as well as any religious, ethnic or ESPECIALLY racial group you belong to.
Really, they don’t? Because it seems that’s one of the problems we have with these “American males in their late teens and early twenties.”
It’s all bout fronting, turf, image and reputation.
Watch any modern gangster rap video - if you need some visual clarification.rsely, face-eaters don’t need a reason to attack someone, they’re mentally and chemically unstable.
Feel free to open another discussion for example, of how Rodney King ‘perceived’ the police were threatening him, or how the homeless guy was on Mr. Bath Salts turf - or something equally preposterous as that.
Is it common for them to be doing this shit when they haven’t got an audience, or are you happy with the suggestion by some that this is exactly what he was doing for DD?
I’ve had a few encounters with these rough and ready types you are talking about and the ones who’ll actually front up to someone who doesn’t show any fear or signs of obvious weakess are few and far between.
ps. Actually, I’m wrong saying they wont even front you(by front I mean “make aggressive challenges and act like a tough guy who shouldn’t be messed with”). They’ll do plenty of fronting, but the likelihood of them doing any attacking is minimal, to non-existent, in most cases. I’m supposed to be being led to believe that Trayvon was one of these exceptions, and I’m just not buying it.
