then both Zimmerman and Martin are lying because Zimmerman says Martin has passed him at this point and Martin says he was followed by a car.
Trying to say it didn’t happen goes against what both people are saying.
During his 2/26 interview with Singelton, George made it clear that he lost sight of Trayvon while waiting to get through to the dispatcher, when he was parked at the clubhouse. When he finally gets to speak to the dispatcher he clearly has regained visual contact so he obviously was no longer parked and was moving in his car.
The first time that Martin looked into his car was on Retreat View Circle, before the recorded call began. Then George lost visual so he took a right onto Twin Trees. George regained visual as Martin was leaving the ‘mail thing’ (deedee) and heading east on Twin Trees, towards Georges car near the elbow. That is when the NEN call recording began.
Singleton: OK, you pass him and this is where he’s looking in the houses, OK. And then…where do you go when you realize…you said he comes and he circles your car?
Zimmerman: No, ma’am. I lost contact of him as I was trying to get through cause you have to…
Singleton: So does he continue past you?
Zimmerman: Yes, ma’am.
Singleton: OK. So he continues past you and you lose sight of him over here.
Zimmerman: Yes, ma’am.
Singleton: OK, so just draw an arrow where he continues to pass you.
Zimmerman: He continues to pass me through here…and then he goes down here. You want me to (unintelligible)…
Singleton: And then he goes somewhere here where you can’t see him.
Zimmerman: Correct.
Singleton: So just go to about where he, where you think he might have been be…, to where you lose sight of him.
Zimmerman: He started going here and then behind these houses.
Singleton: OK. And you could see that from here?
Zimmerman: Yes, ma’am.
Singleton: And then when he gets behind the houses you lose sight.
Zimmerman: Yes, ma’am.
Singleton: OK. And you said this, this…at some point he comes back and circles your car? Has he already done that?
Zimmerman: He looked into my vehicle…
Singleton: OK.
Zimmerman: But he didn’t circle it at that point in time.
Singleton: OK, when does he come…you’re still, you’re still in the car talking to 911, right?
**Zimmerman: I’m trying to get through, yes ma’am.
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The evidence shows it was Zimmerman who said “get off”. The evidence shows it was Zimmerman who was punched. The evidence shows it was Zimmerman on the ground.
I believe the evidence that one person had all the injuries and that Zimmerman shot Martin.
Because anybody could do this with no training and the evidence shows it happened.
None of this matches up with the video reenactment. It’s obvious you have either not watched it or are deliberately glossing over the problematic parts.
In the reenactment, Zimmerman says he “lost sight” of Martin on RCV because Zimmerman drove past him to go park at the clubhouse and make the call to NEN. He was supposedly stationary at this location when a minute into the call, Martin supposedly walked passed the truck.
The “circling” allegedly happened after Zimmerman turned onto TTL to follow Martin as per the dispatcher’s instructions (a lie).
The last one was the closest to being accurate.
I’ve noticed.
Assertion+Assertion= you’ve got nothing.
The only thing I’ve asserted is that I believe the evidence. The fact that it supports Zimmerman is how the chips fall.
You on the other hand believe Zimmerman parked in a different location, ran around the houses from a different direction and attacked Martin while holding a gun in one hand and a flashlight in the other. Even though a witness puts both people on the same path running and there is no evidence that supports Zimmerman laying a single finger on Martin. You have a belief system based on your conviction that Zimmerman lied about everything regardless of evidence.
Martin told his gf that he was being followed by a creepy guy at some point during the night. We don’t know when this period of following actually occurred in relation to Zimmerman’s claims.
I don’t doubt that Zimmerman followed Martin in his truck. What I doubt is that he was following him in the manner he said he did during the reenactment.
:rolleyes: You just went on about how it was impossible for it to occur. It occurred. We have a running dialogue from Martin and Zimmerman about the events as they occurred.
BTW, Dee Dee said Martin ran because of the rain. Add that into your calculations of an event you admit happened but somehow not when Zimmerman said it happened.
It’s like a train wreck. People don’t want to watch but they just can’t turn away. lol
DD would have heard TM say something along the lines of, “Yo, what’s up with the gun? Now I have to punch you in the face and try to take it away from you” or something to that effect. TM would have to have been pretty “high” to start punching someone who had a firearm in their hand, don’t cha think? Or do you believe TM’s “street fighting” experience would have made him that fearless?
Half a league, half a league, half a league onward. All in the valley of Death, rode the six hundred. ‘Forward, the Light Brigade! Charge for the guns’ …blah, blah, blah…
And just to make it sporting he knocked the flashlight out of his hand and wrestled him to the ground and straddled him so Zimmerman would have a closer target to hit.
We have a running dialogue from Martin? Really? You sound kind of adorable with this craziness, especially since it reinforces the idea that putting credence in Zimmerman’s story requires a dose of fantasy.
The only way Martin would have been able to sprint to the dog path in the time it took Zimmerman to turn onto to TTL is if he sprinted into a wormhole. But forget that. Zimmerman himself denied Martin ran when he talked to Hannity. The kid skipped, remember?
Yes, we have Dee Dee’s account. No fantasy involved.
Martin passed Zimmerman when he was parked. He ran to the mailboxes and then continued on to the sidewalk where he was followed by Zimmerman per Martin. This is what the evidence in court will show and not your snide couldn’t-happen-except-a-wormhole comments. It happened.
It’s not like I’m the only one who has noticed this flaw in Zimmerman’s account. I guarantee you it will be an issue at trial.
Watch this analysis and tell me why it’s an incorrect one.
Your link doesn’t work. Doesn’t matter. I can tell you why it’s incorrect. Martin states he’s followed by a car so the event you’re questioning happened. It will not be in issue in court because it means trying to prove it didn’t happen. The best you could attempt is to try to force an exact time when Martin passed Zimmerman and there is no evidence that nails this down. It’s such a useless point to even attempt that the prosecutor would look like a flaming moron to even bring it up. It serves no purpose.
As best as I can understand your posts you feel that his reenactment is suppose to be a second by second chronology of events. There is no way Zimmerman could do this or would be expected to do this. There are only a handful of people in the world capable of this. it’s called Highly Superior Autobiographical Memory (HSAM). What that leaves us with is a video record to match against his original interview and the various pieces of evidence. The same standards apply to other witnesses. They aren’t going to be exact in their recollection but we look for something major that contradicts Zimmerman like seeing him next to Martin’s house or a witness who saw him strike Martin first.
The question of importance is when, not what. Sorry you can’t understand that.
The link works fine for me. If you’re truly interested you can do some googling about Zimmerman’s timeline and the vid will likely come up in the results.
That video claims the distance traveled was 330 yards. It is a flawed and grossly overestimated claim but at 5mph walking speed it could be done in 2 minutes and 15 seconds. That is within 10 seconds of when George says “sh*t, he’s running.”
5 Miles per Hour = 7.333333333333333 Feet per Second 990/7.3= 135.616438356
1:57:62 - No, you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left. Uh, yeah, you go straight in, don’t turn and make a left – [2:06:89] sh*t, he’s running. [in real time this is at 7:11:41 PM].
For anyone out there who thinks Z should never have even been charged, are you really satisfied with knowing that SPD only spent a grand total of 10 minutes interviewing the 3 witnesses listed as being interviewed on the night, in order to investigate what was potentially a murder scene?
Okay, Witnesses 4, 7 and the invisible #10, don’t have any information on when they were interviewed and for how long, but if they were only going to spend 3 minutes each on the only person to have actually seen the 2 involved in any kind of scuffle, and the first person on the scene after the gunshot, I’m not holding out any hopes that these were interviewed any more thoroughly, and certainly not on that night.
10 FUCKING MINUTES spent on witness interviews? A teenager is lying dead on the ground and you are only going to dedicate 10 FUCKING MINUTES of SPD time to getting to the bottom of it?
We see people coming out with shit about how internally consistent Z’s statements are after getting a 5 hour grilling at the police station, while they conveniently overlook the fact that a real homicide detective only interviewed him for a shamefully short while, and it wasn’t quite the grilling they’d have us believe.
Attempting to illicit an emotional response around the time spent, isn’t going to achieve anything.
I have no qualms with THAT particular scene only requiring a short amount of time to canvas by the initial officers.
It seems pretty obvious what happened and in lieu of there being no contradicting voice (Martin) or a witness strongly in disagreement with Zimmerman, than what else should they be doing?
I did say before that you’re welcome to explain how you would have done things differently.
It can’t seem “obvious what happened” until ALL potential witnesses are interviewed thoroughly and you know who the dead person is. Letting Z out of that station without even knowing who he’d killed, just because he’d already made a nen call, is putting the cart before the horse when driving any real investigation.
How would I do “what?” differently?
Dead person on the ground, shot by person whom was recently attacked. That about sums it up - that’s what the officers would have gathered from the initial scene.
Now add in the fact that attacked person made the phone call, complied with police and have several witnesses corroborating the general aspects of the situation - it’s unlikely they’re going to knee him to the back of the head and go all Rodney King on him.
What would they arrest him on anyways?
Seems people assume they were supposed to take him into full custody for suspected murder and then throw him in an interrogation room followed by a version of the Shield’s good cop bad cop routine.
If you believe they did something wrong or needed to be more thorough, then walk us through what you would have done instead.