Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread

His video goes through that. It’s as much evidence as the phone call is evidence. And all the other evidence fits the narrative.

no, Dee Dee says he ran to the mail boxes. From the store. We know the direction he headed after that because there is a witness that heard the running.

Nobody can confirm that Z didn’t get out of vehicle where he said he did. This is the evidence you are so desperate to discover but can only imagine.

Do you know how stupid it sounds when you post these what if’s? Let’s reverse it and see. If Martin emailed his friends saying he was going to beat a Spic dead would that be contrary enough for you?

Actually the police have a duty to gather evidence so that a prosecutor can review it for signs of guilt or innocence.

No, they have a duty to follow the evidence and procedures in accordance to the law. What they cannot do is proceed in absence of evidence and contrary to the law, because they and they alone “truly” know what happened.

That old story by Gutman, which did not even identify sources, was debunked.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-federal-review-justice-letter-20120402_1_chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency
During Serino’s 2 page interview with the FBI, he said he felt pressure from three officers to charge Zimmerman, even though he didn’t feel there was enough evidence to charge. He didn’t believe Zimmerman was motivated by racial bias. Just yesterday it was reported that Serino hired Jose Baez to represent him.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/11/19/3105467/detective-in-george-zimmerman.html
Also yesterday, the Orlando Sentinel reported that Chief Lee had Serino fill out the affidavit just so the SAO could take over.

Lol. “Imagine” if something else had happened that night. “Imagine” if nothing had happened that night. “Imagine” if things were different. Would things have been different? Would the Crown have arrested GZ? Would the Crown have arrested Mrs GZ? Should the English Queen sell Florida to Spain? Would that get you the jury decision that you so desperately desire?

His video is hardly conclusive of anything. Or do you believe he was parked opposite FT’s for as long as he was in his reenactment? Go on, tell me it fits exactly with the nen call he made.

All the way from the store? Was he a long-distance runner as well as a pot-head? The witness descriptions of what was heard are far from conclusively in Z’s favour.

If the police had done their job and just recorded its position before it was allowed to be moved, Z would have another rock solid fact to back up his story, and he needs as many as he can if he’s to appear credible to a jury.

Difference is, mine has a possibility of being true, yours is just made up to try and score a point.

It’s called speculation. Did you even look at the thread title?

Ok I’m confused, are you asserting that since cops are usually dishonest, untrustworthy, they should have fabricated evidence against Zimmerman, so they could arrest him that night?

Are those the places where fishing trophies grow bigger, golf scores get lower, cars are faster, girls get prettier, and bad words provide a poor substitution for a mastery of the english language when alcohol or other mind-altering substances are consumed in large quantities?

I’m saying that it is surprising that these cops couldn’t establish any grounds whatsoever to view Z’s account as suspicious, but if they pulled someone over in a car and got a whiff of mary jane, they’d be ripping the car apart and getting a warrant to search the car owners home for further drug paraphernalia and the guy could moan about it all he fucking wanted and the cops would just sneer at him.

But, place a dead hoody-wearer on the floor and let a man with a gun claim it was something he just had to do, and it’s all *“Hey, come here bro’, let’s have a look at those terrible injuries. Oh, you want to phone your wife and let her know you’ve been sidetracked? Go right ahead. We’ve got no reason to believe you’ll say anything that might be pertinent to what has happened.”
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Since it’s mostly speculation, there’s no reason for anyone to get upset. Or run to the Pit. Is there?

Except for factual referrences to FLA law and statues, of course.

Who’s upset? I’ll go to the Pit when I want some slightly more hardcore entertainment, but I’m not running there for or away from anything.

Again, I ask that you do some homework before you try to argue over facts with me. You’ve repeatedly made mistakes about major details in this case, and you’re doing it now like an idiot.

Serino, on his own volition, filed an affidavit for manslaughter charges on the night of the shooting. Days later, once the FBI got involved, was when he was supposedly pressured to arrest Zimmerman for* murder*.

From here:

Your own cite indicates Serino disbelieved Zimmerman’s version of events. This, even though he was the one who initially corrected witnesses about the screaming. Zimmerman single-handedly destroyed the undeserved benefit of the doubt he had with this detective, just by lying extremely badly.

Yep. Despite his seeming inability to let Z tell his story without continually butting in with bollocks, or not trying to nail him down on specific aspects of his story, Serino knew deep down that Z’s story stank the fucking place out, but someone was smiling down on Z that night, and it wasn’t the sweet babby jesus.

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His video is hardly conclusive of anything. [rolleyes:/quote] It doesn’t have to be. The state has to prove it’s wrong, not that it might be wrong. Currently the evidence supports it. There are no conflicts except for your imagined “what if” scenarios.

Yes, all the way from the store:rolleyes:. I mentioned it earlier because of one of your incessant “it couldn’t happen this way” rant about 5 mph walk. I cited that Martin himself said he ran part of the way.

How do you know they didn’t? given that Martin’s commentary matches up with Zimmerman’s there doesn’t appear to be any other explanation. We know Martin’s path so Zimmerman has to follow that path.

No, dimmy. That was the point. Mine was just as credible as yours. The difference is, the defense is allowed to pursue it in court. Note my discussion with Bricker earlier about it (Martin’s hobby of street fighting).

I used to think Serino was a hero in this, but I now think he’s as corrupt as the rest of them. Its probably a testament to how bad Zimmerman is that this cop acted semi-decently this time. But his conduct with the witnesses and his godawful interogation of Zimmerman completely negate anything positive he did in this investigation. It’s a pity the man wasnt fired along with his boss.

Ok so as an impartial investigator, what specific facts/evidence that implicated Zimmerman as having committed an unlawful killing. That was discovered that night in accordance with the law, did they overlook?

oh, and it doesn’t matter if they view it as suspious, they need something concrete to arrest him with (Bricker has touched on this a couple of times).

I refer you to my response to Redbrow. All of what you wrote is false and stupid.

You don’t have an excuse for being so ignorant about this case, since you’ve been yapping it up in this thread as much, if not more than, anyone else. How strong is your grasp on the evidence in this case, if I’m periodically having to correct you on basic stuff like how much Zimmerman weighed, what was claimed by witnesses, and when affidavits were filed and by whom?

Kindly refrain from personal attacks and name calling. Please specify these alleged mistakes I have made, so I can debate you, or take back your unfounded mischaracterization.