No, even if someone was pulled over for weaving they would not give a breathalizer test. Our laws are diffferent than the UK. In the UK they will ask to test you if you admit to 1 drink regardless of any indication of intoxication. In the US you will be given a physical sobriety test first if there is an indication of impairment followed by a breathalizer if you fail the physical test of impairment.
Everything you say has to be prefaced with the disclaimer “IF Zimmerman is telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth as he remembers it.”
That’s too big an IF for me to go all in on like you have, but I admire your balls and your seeming preparedness to take the grief you are going to get when yoyu are proven wrong on just about everything you think about Z.
Go on, just ftr, say you think he was a credit to his community, too.
But dimmy, that’s not what happened. There is clear signs of a struggle WITH witnesses. There is nothing innocent about assaulting someone. Now if it happened as you just stated then Zimmerman would be immediately seen as killing someone without cause.
No dimmy it’s not based on believing what Zimmerman says is true. It’s based on the consistency of the evidence as it relates to his statement. We’ve looked for a smoking gun bit of evidence that shows he attacked Martin. There is none. Martin shows no signs of being attacked but Zimmerman does.
No, really, there isn’t. There is one person who seems to have described them lay atop of each other at some point after the yells began.
It wasn’t the best viewing conditions out there and this crucial witness says they made a few assumptions at first, but on reflection there wasn’t a lot he could really say about if any one of them was the aggressor.
Seeing Trayvon just sprawled atop of Z does not bolster Z’s claims of him getting a beating while he says he was yelling.
The witness says he never saw Z’s or Trayvons hands moving during the struggle and his time watching was about 10 seconds, before going inside to phone the police.
All that corroborates for Z is they were on the ground together, but it says nothing of how they got there and who made the first hostile move.
As for indisputable evidence of whether Z was lying about the crucial seconds leading up to him not knowing if he’d shot Trayvon, with the gun he’d forgot he had, we have recorded evidence of the moments up to the gunshot; we hear Z’s supposed cries for help, but whether audio experts can detect any other voices saying things like “Yo, homeboy, yo gonna die tonight, ya stinky muddafugga” and other lines from New Jack City, remains to be seen.
It has been repeatedly stated to you, by multiple people and in multiple ways, that this has nothing to do with how we feel about Zimmerman or Martin. That is an emotional component and has no bearing on the case.
This is not the first time you’ve projected your emotions against other posters. You just accused someone of having balls for an opinion. There is no place for this mindset in a discussion.
But I’ll say what you asked with sincerity because I’ve been in Martin’s shoes. I’ve been asked within eyesight of my own house what I was doing in the neighborhood. I was greatly insulted yet I knew the person asking was watching the neighborhood. No fight broke out. Everybody is alive and well. Nothing bad happened because I didn’t project my thoughts of what the other person was thinking. I’m not psychic and understand that what I think other people might be thinking is purely conjecture and should not be acted upon.
I recognized what the person who asked me was doing and it was for the benefit of my neighborhood. So yes, Zimmerman was a credit to his community for watching out for crime and calling the police.
If there is evidence that he assaulted Martin then I will change my mind but until then I have to go on the evidence available and not what I think other people were thinking. The evidence shows Zimmerman avoided conflict at his car where at the same time Martin comes to him at the car. It shows that Zimmerman was still on the sidewalk he said he was on whereas Martin moved from the area he said he was at toward the direction he ran from. Everything points to Martin coming to Zimmerman and not the other way around.
sigh… there isn’t a mark on Martin. All the signs of assault are on Zimmerman. All of them right down to the grass stains on his coat. There is zero doubt he was on the ground being attacked. Why are you insisting this didn’t happen? The punch in the nose and the head injuries are backed up by physical evidence.
Of course there isn’t a mark on Martin. Z had his hands full with his torch and the grip he had on Trayvon’s hoody.
When Trayvon then bopped Z on the nose and Z dropped his torch, they had a little waltz down the path, slipped on the wet grass and ended up how the witness who stepped outside saw them.
Remember how witnesses say they heard the noises of a dispute moving along?
That was Z and TM doing the standing wrestling thing. The rest of the marks on Z look more like scratches than a sign of any heavy blows.
The grass stains only show he was on his back and we knew that anyway because a witness said so. It’s still far from indicative of how he ended up on his back.
The Prosecutor’s going to have a hell of a time proving Zimmerman didn’t stop, since the wind noise vanished, and Zimmerman could be heard tapping something repeatedly during the conversation with the dispatcher. Since it’s unlikely that Zimmertman was walking around, tapping various places, you just about have to come to the conclusion that he was stationary, just talking to the dispatcher in a rather unhurried tone of voice.
So, where do you think he was when he was doing the tapping? Stood by the sign at the top of the T intersection?
When he was doing this tapping, would you have expected him to be that distracted that he wasn’t even looking in the direction he’d last seen the person he was looking for go?
And then just walk off to his truck without paying any attention to his surroundings until Trayvon allegedly either jumped out of some bushes and knocked him straight to the ground in his earliest story, or punches him and causes him to stagger 40ft in the opposite direction, in his later tale?
If your bullshitometers aren’t even twitching slightly, you need to check your power supply.
I don’t disagree. In fact, I think you’re exactly right: in any other state, an arrest would probably have been lawful. Florida’s scheme of requiring not simply probable cause to believe a crime had been committed – the usual formula – but probable cause specifically to believe the force used was unlawful, was absolutely a hindrance to Serino and harmed the investigation.
I had to log out and log back in to check this post. For a second there I thought I was in some Twilight Zone version of this thread where everything I was saying made sense.
ps. Now I’m reading it and looking for where Bricker is trying to trip me up.