Conspiracy before cock-up?
The indictment was partly based on new information related to a friend of Martin’s. That has to be Dee Dee. The Prosecution bypassed the Grand Jury in the process and is now stalling on the release of this evidence. It’s not like they have a choice to turn it over.
Yes, assuming the claims in the motion are true. They’ve been repeatedly instructed to release the evidence that they’re required to, and have refused. Did you read the motion the defence filed? It’s quite short, and doesn’t seem to be particularly open to interpretation.
Although, really, it’s conspiracy after cock-up, the cock-up being charging him in the first place without sufficient evidence.
Nice, logical conclusion.
Since the defense believes the State should have already subpoenaed Crump to turn over his private property, this means they are attempting to deny Zimmerman a fair trial.
Furthermore, the elected judges and prosecutors (who remain unnamed :rolleyes:) want Zimmerman convicted no matter what.
Flawless.
what do you mean unnamed? Circuit Judge Debra Nelson already ruled the the recording be brought to the deposition hearing. We know who heads the Prosecution. It’s Angela Corey.
This isn’t some obscure procedural mistake, it’s a big deal to withhold evidence from the defense. It’s mistrial big. And if the Defense’s label is correct Dee Dee is the States’ star witness. The indictment and the trial hinge on her testimony.
And how do you know that these elected judges and officials want Zimmerman convicted “no matter what”?
How do you know they just aren’t doing their jobs against someone who they feel is guilty as sin?
Why is there always this hinting that there are other motives except for a duty to uphold the law?
And then you have people always presenting this crap about appeasing people, “lynch mobs” “race-_____” --shit straight out of the Turner Diaries.
Then they want to turn around and say I’m the one presenting bizarre theories–laughable.
Wow. you don’t even realize how seriously warped this statement is.
Trials are not based on how a Judge “feels” about things. They are set up to ensure procedures are followed so that the law is upheld.
There isn’t always being hinted at. It has been rarely discussed in this thread. It’s being brought up now because the law is being ignored.
Who is always presenting this?
What an empty meaningless statement—look up the word “feel”–I already went over this with another poster here.
Again, how do you know these people are not just doing their jobs (rather than some bloodlust against Zimmerman)?
What laws are being ignored? Don’t give me some crap–NAME THEM. And NAME who is ignoring them.
The same ones who I have been going back and forth with.
The same people I have been calling out.
There is nothing meaningless about a judge following the rules without injecting his or her feelings into the process.
because the information that was legal due the Defense has not been made available.
Discovery. By law a prosecutor has to turn over everything to the defense. And it’s the judge and the prosecutor I already named who are ignoring it.
so no names and of course, no cites to back up your claims of "people always presenting this crap about appeasing people, “lynch mobs” “race-_____” --shit.
you’re running your mouth with nothing to support it.
Saraya and Shodan with the race-____ bullcrap.
Steophan with the talk about lynch mobs and appeasement.
- My goodness. Let’s go slowly.
Steophan wrote:
“Not that that’s likely with elected judges and prosecutors. They want Zimmerman convicted no matter what, for the sake of their popularity, and if they can’t get that, they want to drag it out as long as possible in the hope that, if he’s (correctly) acquitted, it will have been forgotten about.”
To which I responded:
"And how do you know that these elected judges and officials want Zimmerman convicted “no matter what”?
How do you know they just aren’t doing their jobs against someone who they feel is guilty as sin?"
Ok. This was what prompted the exchange.
Again, how do you know they are doing it because they are elected and not because they are upholding the law?
- What was the timetable? How do you know all the procedures for Discovery weren’t followed (if that is to be applied here)?
You made a state that said people always presenting this crap…
either post some cites that this has been even a tiny part of the 170+ pages of discussion or admit your statement was overblown hyperbole.
Well, because if the accusations are true, ignoring the law is a damn funny way to uphold it.
The timetable was listed in the cite given. The recording was made April 2nd and they’ve made multiple formal requests starting August 23rd for the information as well as court intervention. it’s not rocket science for the State to take possession of the recording device and accurately duplicate the information.
Because there is either insufficient evidence to charge Zimmerman, or they haven’t released evidence that would show him guilty. Charging him under either of those circumstances is illegal. As the defence have repeatedly asked for the release of evidence they claim to have, and they’ve refused, it’s not a simple mistake.
They are breaking the law in an attempt to punish someone they suspect - but can’t prove - is a criminal. And you wonder why I compare them to lynch mobs?
From this recent motion by O’Mara - interesting information. Apparently prosecution has been sitting on reports from witnesses taken month ago by FBI where the witnesses say that they can identify Zimmerman’s voice as the one screaming for help on the tapes. The prosecution provided these reports to defense only recently, way after telling the judge that the defense received “everything”. Apparently the same reports mention further witnesses whose testimony still has not been provided to defense, in spite of the law requiring prosecution to disclose all evidence they have. O’Mara says he will file a separate motion demanding that evidence.
Interestingly in Minnesota there was recently a high profile case dismissed when it came before the Judge for lack of probable cause. Of course this didn’t happen until many months after the individual had been arrested, charged, and accumulated substantial attorney fees. Similarly to this case the Prosecutor declined to convene a grand jury. Unfortunately it sounds like there isn’t a lot of recourse for the accused to recover the attorney fees. Not to mention the reputation that is forever tainted.
That link explains Florida’s civil discovery rules, and is applicable to civil cases in Florida; the link quotes Florida’s rules of civil procedure.
This is a criminal case.