Please. I’m a Lifetime NRA member and I think Zimmerman acted carelessly here; i don’t want the NRA to support someone who treats a concealed carry permit as a faux police badge.
Ok. Firstly, that’s a completely different situation to the one we’re discussing here, mainly due to the lack of chasing down. Secondly, if you do this, and the woman brutally attacks you, I promise to stand up for your right to self defence as defined by the laws in the jurisdiction you choose to undertake your creepy, yet probably legal, activity.
Why don’t you do me and yourself a favor, and go look up the definition of the word "murder"before continuing this discussion?
Well, obviously not. If I don’t think Zimmerman acted in self defense, then I must not agree with the concept at all. Also I’m a fascist, a bully, and I believe that everyone who is charged by the state is guilty, if you’re keeping score.
To save you the time of typing out these sort of questions in the future, please just go ahead and assume that I’m also a homophobe, a rascist, and I believe that anyone who owns a gun should be raped and then gassed without trial.
Well, with your support, I went ahead and did it. She was so scared that she swung at me, so I shot her to death. Don’t worry, I took the precaution of making sure it was a black girl, so I probably won’t be charged.
LOL…
Stepped up?
“Liberal media witch hunt”?
Here we go…
The No Spin Zone stops here.
:rolleyes:
He certainly would have had time to go home while Zimmerman was on the phone talking to dispatch. Instead he goes up to the parked truck, scaring Zimmerman enough that you can hear the truck doors being locked. And what was Zimmerman doing to cause Martin to run away. He was talking on the phone.
You seem to like EE’s spin.
Double standard?
I agree with the point being made by EE, but the approach is pretty annoying.
Not changing parameters; just made an error. The context of that exchange should tell you I meant his fingernail clippings tested negative.
Saying “microscopically bloody hands” rather than “bloody hands” doesn’t change my point at all, so this response just looks like a lame attempt at gotcha ya. I would say this is beneath you, but sadly that would be wrong.
I am using the dictionary definition. You are the one that is trying to make up new definitions.
Why don’t you call Zimmerman a “homicidal asshole”. As far as I know, no one is claiming that Zimmerman didn’t kill Trayvon Martin.
I can certainly agree that Zimmerman’s actions were not prudent, but I haven’t seen any evidence that indicate that he deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison.
Since the start of this discussion, I haven’t figured out why Zimmerman didn’t stay in his truck and drive to the south end of Twin Trees.
Sure seems to change it. It’s obviously absurd to say that a lab tech ignored bloody hands. But if the blood on the hands was only visible microscopically, then it’s not at all difficult to imagine.
It changes your point completely.
Look:
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I find it highly unlikely these guys would have taken the time to test Martin’s hoodie , his undershirt, and his fingernail clippings for Z’s blood and DNA, and yet somehow they overlooked a pair of bloody hands.
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It’s absolutely unlikely! Anyone reading would agree.
Now let’s substitute:
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I find it highly unlikely these guys would have taken the time to test Martin’s hoodie , his undershirt, and his fingernail clippings for Z’s blood and DNA, and yet somehow they overlooked a pair of microscopically bloody hands.*
Why? Hands with only microscopic traces of blood would be easy to overlook!
You know there’s a huge difference in those two paragraphs, and so des everyone reading this.
Right?
He acted imprudently and a young man lost his life. Perhaps Zimmerman doesn’t deserve a life sentence, but he surely deserves some criminal sanction.
You wanna know whats absurd? Admitting that Martin’s hands were unlikely to have been grossly contaminated with Z’s blood, but then offering up the possibility that they were contaminated with microscopic amounts. As if such a thing is even consistent with Zimmerman’s dramatic tale of head-grabbing, punching, and smothering. That is what is absurd.
They microscopically examined Martin’s clothing for Zimmerman’s blood and DNA. So the question still stands: Why would they go through the trouble of looking for the tiniest of particles indicative of Zimmerman residues on his clothing–not just on his hoodie, but on his undershirt too–but overlook his hands? What would be the point of this?
I just looked at Martin’s forensic report and noticed that the report form has a list of standard specimens. Hand swabs is not among the list, but fingernail clippings are. Is it possible that when samples are collected in a homicide investigation, hand swabs aren’t typically taken unless there is a special indication for doing so? Might it also be possible that in Martin’s case these swabs weren’t taken because that indication wasn’t present?
I don’t know the answer to these questions. Do you?
Just as an FYI a time zone is meaningless because daylight moves on a diagonal. The rotating axis isn’t perpendicular to the Sun. You can see this on Google Earth by clicking in the sunlight button and moving the time scale back and forth. It will be dark in Pittsburgh PA and still daylight in Miami Florida.
That aside it was twilight when this event occurred. By the time of the fight it was difficult to make out full detail looking through a window yet light enough to see 2 figures fighting.
Well you seem to have come late to the discussion. Pretty much everybody who first heard about the event immediately jumped to the conclusion that Zimmerman was hunting kids at Disney Land for sport. The news media had a lot to do with this because of the younger picture of Martin paired up to the jail picture of Zimmerman. This was my first impression until I read through the evidence at hand.
I’ve literally been in the exact same situation as Martin. I was followed by a car at night and asked what I was doing. The difference is that I didn’t go postal on the person(s) asking the question. I can tell you it’s pretty off-putting to be challenged within eyesight of your own house. In fact I was challenged once before while in another neighborhood and the guy didn’t believe my story and called the police.
What’s important here is that Martin appears to go out of his way to confront Zimmerman and then pummels him. His actions drive the gunshot. At least that’s what the current evidence shows. That could change with additional evidence. We can’t say for sure who threw the first punch but we can say who started the conversation and who was assaulted for a pretty long period of time as fights go.
Please don’t. There are posters within this thread who have expressed an opinion that it’s OK to attack someone they believe is creepy even though no express threat has been issued. You may find yourself talking to Martin
There’s no reason for blood to be on Martin’s hands. The broken nose would have bled after struck. all the blood on the back of Zimmerman’s head would bleed down.
All these conspiracy theory sidetracks about blood have no real purpose because it’s pretty apparent that Martin assaulted Zimmerman.
Evidence still suggests that GZ was defending himself from imminent danger of death or great bodily harm.
Do you have anything that could be concidered admissable evidence that will convince a jury that GZ wasn’t defnding himself? Something that could actually be used in court? I don’t believe your “bizarre seance” would be admissible.
Where was this offered up and admitted? By you? Certainly not by me. Perhaps it is because I don’t have a criminologists credentials or special training in evidence collection, but I am having a really hard time following you here. Honestly, this was over at
Please, go back and read post 8707 with the understanding that I was agreeing with you. The only exception I took in that post was why I should give your opinion any merit when you flat out stated that betenoire39’s didn’t matter. You have since provided reasonable explanation for why I should value your opinion above the layman’s.
And again I have the same response. How should I know it to be true that every square inch was tested to the microscopic level. I have gotten the impression that they tested the obvious blood stains on the clothing to determine source. It certainly is possible this is a misconception on my part. I just don’t see it as an unreasonable conclusion.
So it is possible then that we won’t know if there was blood if it wasn’t obvious. Again, as in post 8707, I don’t think this flys in front of a jury given Zimmerman’s description of events.
ywtf, I am glad to know that someone as tenacious as you is looking out for the publics health. And I mean that in all seriousness.
I feel Zimmerman shouldn’t have taken Sean’s statement literally about informing them about what Trayvon did next. Zimmerman obviously took it to mean keep an eye on Trayvon
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An SPD officer reported that Martin was lying face down, with his hands underneath his body, after being shot.
He was likely clutching his gunshot wound, however there is no evidence of his hands being covered in blood. There was only trace amounts of his blood found in his right hand fingernail clippings. There was not even a trace of his own blood/DNA found in his hoodie sweatshirt sleeves.
This can only mean one thing. Martin was never shot and never bled.
Or maybe it means his hands were never tested for blood/DNA, and most of the DNA/blood on his hoodie sweatshirt shirt had been destroyed due to mishandling and improper storage. His hoodie was still damp and moldy smelling weeks later, when it was finally tested. Only one of the bloodspots tested barely had a trace of Martin’s DNA left. The sleeves could also have been rolled up in preparation for the attack. Who knows?