Well, this is an actual tautology.
Which means it’s not at all useful in understanding what you’re thinking of. Would you please identify two of Zimmerman’s statements which contradict each other?
No, I don’t agree that the two are at the same level of likelihood.
For Zimmerman to look like he does and weigh 250 pounds would be a fundamental disconnect in human biology.
For Zimmerman’s record to be expunged, and no official comment to be made about it isn’t particularly unusual, given the fact that an accused criminal defendant cannot claim the benefits of expungement. I agree, however, that the lack of mention by other media sources creates at least some question. I wouldn’t call it a closed issue, for instance.
It is interesting the way you assume that Teontae’s friend is African-American. Apparently you are the one doing the profiling.
You will also note that it doesn’t mention whether Zimmerman called the police or if Teontae’s friend was a resident.
BTW, the NY Times article you didn’t link to is very interesting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/us/trayvon-martin-shooting-prompts-a-review-of-ideals.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&ref=jenniferpreston
BTW, They also have something relevant on the cellphone discussion.
Here is the actual paragraph
Based on Taaffe’s quote. Zimmerman may be profiling, but it was an accurate profile. If there aren’t strange white people wondering through Zimmerman’s neighborhood, is that Zimmerman’s fault? Should he start hassling white residents to make his quota. You should read the NY times article. There is zero indication of racial animus in his background.
This article indicates a man that actually protects black people and protests unfair treatment of them.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04-06/news/31296359_1_sherman-ware-justin-collison-robert-zimmerman
If the shooting was unwitnessed by no one except Zimmerman, and no one except Zimmerman observed the start of the altercation, then it wouldn’t take a lot of ingenuity to create a lie that matches with the evidence. In fact, it would very be easy to do.
If Zimmerman was the agressor, then all he’d have to do was lie about being the agressor and claim that it was the kid who started it. Even 5 year-olds can come up with “He started it!” within seconds of being caught in a fight.
If Zimmerman assaulted Martin, then all he’d have to do was lie about assaulting Martin and claim that it was the kid who assaulted him.
If Zimmerman brandished his weapon, then all he’d have to do was lie about it and say he was reaching for his phone instead.
1.5 hours is more than enough time for him to craft together a non-incriminating lie that is tough to disprove.
The State seems to have evidence that his narrative is not airtight, though. We haven’t seen this evidence, so I don’t know why folks keep insisting Zimmerman’s statement isn’t contradicted by anything.
Let pedantry begin.
Because, as you’ll be shocked to learn, we haven’t seen this evidence.
That would presuppose that Zimmerman knew no one witnessed things. With dozens of people living within short distance of the altercation, that’s not a good supposition. And as we know now quite a few people witnessed portions of it.
A few minutes after the incident Zimmerman said he called and called for help and no one helped. If he’s lying, he’s pretty fleet wouldn’t you say?
Well, it’s possible to reconcile the two statements, but I agree they contradict each other on their face.
Which, taken together, is an excellent illustration of why the SYG law, genus Florida, is a poor idea. Add all that to the requirement that before you can be prosecuted, arrested, or even detained in custody, the police must be able to show probable cause that your use of force was unlawful. Talk about an uphill climb.
I suspect they mean, “…isn’t contradicted by anything we know.” I expect the state would not have charged second degree without something, so I expect that they have something. But without knowing what it is, it’s difficult to assess it.
I knew you’d assume this. Goes to unfounded accusations(Zimmerman 's), your Honor.
Teontae’ Amie is a pretty unique name. No need to link. I knew you’d find it.
I already knew about the burglaries. Taafe’s quote only shows that Taafe noticed the strange Black people not all strange people. The fact that Zimmerman doesn’t mention race until asked doesn’t negate the fact that all his suspicious persons were black. And once again I’m not claiming racial animus, just profiling. Probably not so accurate since the one time he decides to take action, he ends up killing an innocent [del]boy[/del] teenager.
Potentially it can take days. You have to figure out what the police know and might find out and come up with a simple, internally consistent story that doesn’t contradict any of it.
Most people can’t even tell the truth consistently
What reason are you claiming for the prosecution not using any of that evidence in their probable cause affidavit? There has been a lot of criticism on the affidavit. Keep in mind that O’Mara is getting all of the state’s evidence Friday.
If Zimmerman assaulted Martin, then it is potentially going to be very hard to reconcile with the autopsy and the condition of Martin and Zimmerman’s clothing.
Also, if Zimmerman knew he was guilty and only had what you think is a rather porous lie, then why didn’t he refuse to give a statement until he had time to construct a better story. His actions are not those of a guilty man, but a rather stupid innocent man. If Zimmerman intentionally murdered Martin, then he would have to know it by definition.
If Zimmerman assaulted Martin, then it is potentially going to be very hard to reconcile with the autopsy and the condition of Martin and Zimmerman’s clothing.
Nah, not really. If Zimmerman grabbed Martin’s arm and tried to restrain him until the police arrived, that is assault. If Martin struck him because if this, that would be self defense.
Tell me, if that was the assault that started the fight, what would show on either persons clothes or in the autopsy result?
What evidence would show up that he grabbed Martin’s arm first.
Remember assault is not equal to actually causing physical injury.
Because the prosecution’s job is not to help the defense.
The prosecution put forth a very, very thin affidavit, but they know that Zimmerman is going to get a PC hearing anyway, so they alleged only the minimum (perhaps less than the minimum) required. Do not draw the conclusion that this means that’s all they have. There is no reason for them to show all their cards in a PC affidavit, and plenty of reasons not to.
Well… battery, actually.
So you didn’t believe him before, but you believe him now? :dubious:
I don’t know why you make such a big deal about lying. It’s not like Zimmerman needed to convince people he didn’t shoot Trayvon, or that he wasn’t at the scene. He didn’t need to plot the perfect murder here.
It’s typical human behavior to consider one’s own actions and feelings to be right and reasonable. Very easy to rationalize that, internalize that, and testify to that convincingly. We see it play out right here on this message board all the time. Most people here argue and disagree in good faith, because they want to believe what they are saying is true, even if it turns out to be wrong. Only sociopaths don’t feel the need to believe they are good people who do what’s right.
I’m sure he now believes he did the only thing he could have done under the circumstances.
Oh, right. But still. I don’t know what physical evidence would show as a result, or what would need to be reconciled with the condition of their clothes and/or the autopsy results if that had indeed happened.
Its disingenuous to insist on saying Zimmerman’s statement isn’t contradicted by anything that we know about, when the specifics that led to Zimmerman’s arrest have been withheld from the public pending the trial.
So would you agree that it would be quite foolish for Zimmerman to immediately give a statement to police if he intentionally killed Martin? Especially since he was a Criminal Justice Major and only a few hours from his degree from what I read. I checked the requirements at Seminole State College:
http://www.seminolestate.edu/criminal-justice/college-credit/asdegree/crim-as.php
Some of the electives might be useful also:
Introduction to Murder - CCJ1629
Introduction to CSI - CJE1640
So you might say that his schooling has trained him for exactly what he needs to do to get away with something like this, right? He must be aware of the law then and what he would need to say to justify his actions to the police, I would think.