If I remember correctly the trashing involved Corey’s stretching of the truth. If that is the case and it’s based on Dee Dee’s testimony then the information withheld is going to be weak. If that is the information they are trying to keep from disclosure then it’s truly earth shattering or the house of cards falls upon receipt.
Dear og, are you still going on about this? WE HAVE THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT. We know the original document is correct and the detective made a mistake in the report.
To point out the obvious: The defense doesn’t have to wait for Zimmerman’s phone records, since the records belong to Zimmerman and they should have had them from the get go.
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For some reason, that never occurred to me.
At this point, I don’t know.
I am taking Bricker’s word for it that it is possible/likely that the prosecution has something to justify second-degree murder charges, but I am at a loss to come up with what that evidence might be. I don’t think it is anything we know about to date, even with a different take on it. Dee Dee is not a very convincing witness, and even in the interview that has been published, she seems to be floundering around trying to figure out what the prosecution wants her to say.
People have been nitpicking Zimmerman’s statements to death - applying the same process to Dee Dee is going to find at least as many inconsistencies with her. So she doesn’t seem like a good candidate for a dramatic courtroom revelation that will cause Zimmerman to shout “It would have worked, too - if it weren’t for you meddling KIDS!!!”
I can’t see what evidence it might be.
Regards,
Shodan
We know nothing. We have various posters to made assertions based on their interpretation of the document. No one found any documentation of what the various fields meant. If you can find a corrected timeline from an official source, then link to it or a document of what the fields mean, then trot it out.
Otherwise the timeline in Serino’s report is the official timeline.
You are opposed to that timeline, since it corroborates Zimmerman’s story.
BTW, our bet is still on. The loser leaves the SDMB.
It looks like Serino’s new attorney, Jose Baez, has turned over new evidence to the SA’s office. I can only wonder how many other bits and bobs will surface before this case finally gets to trial.
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
6:04 p.m. EST, December 12, 2012
*After Chris Serino, the Sanford police detective who led the investigation into the Trayvon Martin shooting death, wrote the most important police report in the case, he revised it at least four times. And he made at least one huge change: He initially said George Zimmerman should be charged with second-degree murder then changed course and recommended a charge of manslaughter, according to a prosecutor and new list of evidence.
Serino made all those revisions to the report summarizing his findings during one five-hour stretch on March 13, according to a newly-released evidence list.
In the first two drafts, according to Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda, Serino wrote that he had probable cause to recommend a second-degree murder charge. Then, over the next hour, he changed the report twice more and in his final version wrote that the evidence supported the lesser charge.
One of Serino’s supervisors, Sanford police Capt. Bob O’Connor, said in a July 3 interview that everyone in Serino’s chain of command agreed with the investigator’s conclusion. Serino’s direct supervisor, then-Sgt. Randy Smith, also signed the final version.
…On Tuesday, de la Rionda handed the much-revised Serino report to defense attorneys, saying he had received it recently from Serino’s attorney, Jose Baez, who advised them that it would likely help Zimmerman*.
Will the history of the creation of Serino’s report, if it’s introuduced in evidence, cause the jury to doubt Corey’s 2nd degree murder charge?
Why are you discussing this like it is new information? Mgalindo13 posted a link to this article two days ago.
So I could post the question, “Will the history of the creation of Serino’s report, if it’s introuduced in evidence, cause the jury to doubt Corey’s 2nd degree murder charge?” with a little background information.
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for anyone who might not follow every link in a thread with over 9,000 posts. I missed Mgalindo13 post.
Is there any way you could find it in your heart to forgive me? :rolleyes:
There were several posts discussing Mgalindo13 post, so you don’t seem to pay attention to previous posters at all. The gist was how much political pressure the SPD was to come back with charges when many officers didn’t think that they had enough evidence to charge Zimmerman with anything.
What I’m interested in seeing is when Martin’s call to DeeDee ended. The part that was printed, said it started at 7:12. If it ended before 17:15:23 then DeeDee couldn’t have overheard Martin’s conversation with Zimmerman, which impeaches her testimony
http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_trayvon_martin_phone_call_dm_120320_main.jpg
At least you post on the weekend. A lot of posters must read the SDMB at work, because they disappear on the weekend.
What I’m interested in seeing is if the EMT gave Zimmerman something like Mannitol, or it’s equivalent, which would help prevent the swelling caused by blunt force trauma. They certainly should have, if there’s the possibility of brain swelling, but it gives the opportunity for some to say there wasn’t enough injutries regarding Zimmerman’s claim.
Nah, we just disappear when you are around Joel. 
Your link shows only a small portion of one page, but the entire seven page document has been released (with only phone numbers redacted), and it shows that the call lasted four minutes.
Thank you very much. As far as I know This has never been officially released. This appears to be from Tracy Martin’s printout. It looks like the encounter happened literally seconds after the NEN call ended.
That’s how you remember it, huh?
Esoteric terms like “Connection Time” are real puzzlers I suppose.
:shrug:
The event log actually seems very straight forward. The only weirdness comes in when one tries to make it be in accord with Serino’s cribbing of Singleton’s notes, afaict.
Like the Seminole CO 10-codes?
That’s still a dumb bet btw. IMHO, anyway.
Wouldn’t the EMT document it if he did?
I think those docs are available already.
Because some people assume that “Connection Time” is the same as the start of the recording and that NEN calls never end up on hold and the “Created” time is not the start of the recording.
It was a dumb bet by Dragonash, Since I knew that O’Mara had already seen Zimmerman’s phone records and he primed Hannity to ask the question, because he knew that the records would corroborate Zimmerman’s response.
No, it’s a dumb bet by you because it’s a bet you can not possibly win.
In your bizarro world where the call starts at 19:11:12 (which is when the operator hit ‘enter’ to ‘create’ the report, as opposed to when the call actually connected, at 19:09:34, which might be hard to decipher because it’s cleverly coded as ‘Connection’), the dispatcher notes at 19:11:59 - only 47 seconds into the call - that the subject (Martin) is ‘running towards the back entrance ofthe complex’. Actually has to be less than 45 seconds, because the operator had to type all that info in.
But we know from the phone call transcript that Martin started running/gangsta-skipping 2 minutes and 20 seconds or so into the phone call.
Hmm - but if we add 2 minutes and 20 seconds to the 'connection time, we get…19:11:54…hey, that’s remarkably close to the dispatcher note for that comment of 19:11:59. I wonder why that is?
The original document is correct. Why you continue to bury your head in the sand on this is beyond me.
Want further proof? Note that the very first entry is very long - it’s the longest entry on the sheet - and very detailed, giving description of Martin and why George is calling. All that information is from George’s NEN call, and it’s based on comments George makes through the first 45-60 seconds of the call.
Then note that the time stamp of the very first entry is 19:11:12. Which just happens to be THE TIME STAMP THE REPORT WAS CREATED. Ergo - the call connected at 19:09:34, the dispatcher spent the first part of the call entering information etc, hit ‘enter’ to enter the information and created the report about one minute and 45 seconds into the actual call.
It’s not rocket science if you have the brain of an eggplant.
So, to summarize. You have no evidence, except how you choose to interpret the report and you are certain you know how to interpret it better than someone who does it for a living. If the Singleton timeline is wrong, then why has the Sanford Police Department not issued a correction to the official report?
Because its not necessary for them to issue a corrected timeline. The evidence is in the actual logs. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can figure out the truth. This evidence is for the benefit of the judge and jury, anyway, and will be explicitly outlined in court. The State is under no obligation to spell out timelines for armchair spectators out in la-la land.
I don’t even know why you’re hung up on the timeline. If its finally proven to you that there was a 2 minute gap between the NEN call and the encounter with Martin, it ain’t like that’s going to change your mind about Zimmerman’s innocence. Odds are you’ll simply come up with an convenient explanation to make that gap be perfectly reasonable. Isn’t that so?
I do find it interesting how much has been made about Martin having had plenty of time to make it home, as if that is evidence that he provoked an assault against Z. But when it’s pointed out that Z had plenty of time to make it to his truck following his NEN call, suddenly we have to accept the idea Z was perfectly entitled to dawdle outside in the rain for as long as he wanted and that this in no way suggests he was the aggressor. Like Zimmerman’s claims, the arguments made by his supporters seem to have a way of undercutting themselves when taken to their logical conclusions.
Why do they need to issue a correction? THEY HAVE THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT. The Singleton timeline is not the end-all, be-all of any and all time lines in the ‘original report’. Singleton got it wrong; a simple but obvious mistake.
Go back and read my post above. What is your explanation for the timestamps of the initial subject descriptions, of the subject running, and the timing of when they occur during the actual NEN recording. We have that recording as well, by the way. In addition to the original NEN dispatch record.
You’re just hand-waving all that away, putting your fingers in your ears and repeating ‘But Singleton wrote something different! Singleton wrote something different! I can’t hear you la la la la la!’?