As mentioned earlier, there is no evidence that Zimmerman was racist, he wasn’t walking, he was driving his truck, and he wasn’t looking for trouble, he was going to the grocery store.
And he did not falsely represent himself as entitled to carry a gun - he had a license and he was not on patrol - he was, again, on his way to the grocery store.
Regards,
Shodan
I love the fact that we, yet again, have someone trying to spin looking out for one’s neighbours and neighbourhood as evidence of immoral or illegal intent… Zimmerman’s actions, in calling the police about Martin and trying to keep track of him, were not just legal but laudable. If he did chase him down and confront him - something for which there is precious little evidence - it’s still not illegal, though far more foolish than laudable.
I can understand someone thinking, having just heard the original media reports of this case, that it was possibly a racist murder, and probably at minimum manslaughter - both myself and Magiver originally felt that way. However, being reasonable people, we were able to keep our minds open and examine the evidence. Evidence that is frustratingly vague, but where it is more conclusive, tends to support Zimmerman’s story. I can’t understand the refusal of some people here to even examine the evidence to see if it fits their preconceptions.
So… Zimmerman violated a rule of an organization he’s not even a member of.
Face it - we have been fed so much slanted and false information by the media that it’s nearly impossible to figure out what will happen next.
Calling a seventeen-year old high school football player whose hobby is street fighting a child and offering old pictures of him was just the beginning of an effort to ensure that Zimmerman doesn’t get a fair trial. A man who is old enough to father a child is not a child. I’m sure he would have agreed. Young man works just fine unless attempting to argue from emotion.
With the events that followed, threats on Zimmerman’s life and thinly veiled insinuations of rioting should the pro-Martin people not be satisfied with the results of the trial it’s a wonder anyone could be found to take the case at all.
The judge is refusing to allow the witnesses anonymity so they must be frightened.
The case has been so overtly politicized that I don’t see how Mr. Zimmerman has a chance of ever being able to feel safe again whether he is jailed or set free. That’s a travesty of justice in this country.
I try to keep up with all the details and found an odd one this week. For those of you who want this to be a racial issue, did you know that George’s great-grandfather from Peru was a black man?
I can’t wait until we are eventually so intermarried that we’ll all look like fools for even bringing race into anything.
According to Osterman (who I do believe is a prosecution witness):
This is what Zimmerman told Serino during his post-reenactment interview:
And in Zimmerman’s reenacment, he of course shows how he pinned Martin’s arm with his own before reaching for his gun.
The thing that stands out in all of these stories is that Zimmerman was successfully able to defend himself against Martin once he actually used his hands and arms like an reasonably intelligent person. Up until that moment of truth, Zimmerman supposedly did nothing except lie there like a rag doll. His tactical flashlight had traveled with him all the way to where Martin’s body lay, but did he ever indicate using it as a defensive weapon? No. Did he ever say he tried to push the kid away or strike back? No. His hands didn’t have any defensive injuries either (see here).
If he’d been able to gain control of Martin enough to keep him from suffocating him and grabbing his gun, then it was not necessary for him to take things to the next step and shoot him. If he’s deemed to be the aggressor of the conflict, that is especially the case.
Why do you keep saying that? We’ve been through this. Being able to prevent someone strangling you is not the same as being able to escape from the conflict, and, by legal definition, Martin doesn’t stop being a threat until he retreats and clearly communicates that he’s no longer threatening. Or, obviously, until he is so injured or dead he can’t fight - but Zimmerman would not be expected to immediately apprehend that.
Simply having someone in a wristlock when they’re on top of you meets none of those criteria. Therefore, if Zimmerman were in reasonable fear of death or serious injury before he got Martin in said wristlock, he was entitled to shoot him afterwards - regardless of whether he started the fight.
Interesting that after literally months of telling us that Zimmerman is a lying sack of shit and you have no reason to believe him, you now take him at his word… Still doesn’t prove what you think it does.
Obviously I don’t believe a thing this lying sack has told anyone. But even if we take him at his word, a crime is evident. This is a testament to how bad a liar he is and how guilty he is too.
You want to know what’s interesting? For the last few days, the defense has been angling hard to prove the 911 tape is useless in determining who is yelling for help. They have thrown everything they have to keep any expert from weighing in on this at the trial. Which is quite telling. If I were innocent, and there was no question in my mind that frantic voice was mine, there is no way in hell I’d want anyone saying that the tape is useless. I’d be wanting every juror and their mama listening to that thing so that I could convince them it was me, and I’d be searching the world over for a credentialed somebody willing to exclude Martin as the source, even if their confidence was below 50%.
The only reason Zimmerman is trying to attack analysis of the 911 tape is because he knows it’s not him and he knows he can’t find anyone willing to say it was him. Because if he could find someone, the defense wouldn’t hesitate to put them on the stand. The only folks on the planet who can’t grasp this are Zimmerman’s blind supporters.
ABC News exclusively obtained a sample of the distressing emergency call - which could prove pivotal once the trial of 29-year-old Zimmerman begins - and sent it to Kent Gibson of Forensic Audio
In his expert opinion, a comparison of Martin’s voice, Zimmerman’s voice and the screaming on the 911 call indicate that the voice is ‘more likely to be Zimmerman than Martin by a significant margin.’
ABC News explained they were able to finally make their startling but qualified judgement on the identity of the voice after they exclusively obtained a recording of Trayvon Martin’s voice.
The same legal niceties that ensure that Zimmerman will get a fair trial and will probably be found not guilty define seventeen-year-olds as children. Take or leave the legalistic posturing; it’s been relied upon by your side to an extensive degree in this thread.
Apparently GZ was not a member of a national neighborhood watch. Do you believe that the prosecutor will introduce this earth shattering evidence to the court? What effect do you think this info will have on the jury? :yawn:
If he doesn’t testify, probably not much. If he does, the fact that he constructed an elaborate fantasy world bears on his credibility, at a minimum.
But registration with the USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch Program — which would have provided this training — is not a requirement for forming a group.
“We’ve got approximately 25,000 neighborhood watches registered now, and the neighborhood watches out there far exceed that number,” Chris Tutko, the Director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs’ Association told theGrio.
So - what “fantasy world” are you talking about?
Who had “iced tea”? I’m not aware of any evidence that anyone had “iced tea”. If people have difficulty getting the simple facts straight, what chance is there that they’ll get the complicated issues correct?
Are you referring to:
The Retreat at Twin Oaks had a neighborhood watch program and GZ was a member of it. That’s a fact.
I see evidence that Zimmerman was trying to START a renegade Neighborhood Watch program (which, if it taught running after people with guns and assuming all blacks are burglars, would by necessity operate outside the sanction of the national organization): http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/NWP-Binder-1.pdf
I do not see any evidence that this program he started succeeded in including any people besides himself, or that his title of “captain” was granted by any person or body external to himself. Do you have some that you would like to share?
What makes a Neighborhood Watch program “renegade”?
I’m referring to the fact that you can’t get the simple facts correct. They’re obviously not important to you. That casts doubt on your speculations of the rest of the evidence.
The dead body of a teenager might be at the top of that list.
Call me when this guy’s opinion gets entered into discovery.