That’s what his defense attorney got the doctor up to today.
Because it’s irrelevant. If he’s incapable, for whatever reason, of accurately describing what happened that night, then he is not credible.
Why don’t you go look at that evidence rather than posting more baseless speculation? Hint - it tells you he was shot from close range in the chest.
Are you going to back up your claim that the arm spreading was a lie, or just keep claiming it? Again, you need to provide proof that he didn’t spread his arms, and proof that he intentionally made a false statement, to show it’s a lie.
I’ll ask you the same I asked the Condescending one - why do you default to the assumption that he must be lying, when being confused or mistaken is a reasonable explanation for someone who’s just suffered head injuries and an extremely traumatic experience?
He had no neurological injuries, as you may recall from the ongoing discussion of why his claim to have been bashed into the concrete is untrue.
So you have no idea whether it was “he punched me 25 to 30 times” or “it felt like he punched me 25 to 30 times” or “could be 25 to 30 times”? Or even if he said it at all? No policemen at the scene mention that statement. Serino was not at the scene, so he could not have heard it from Zimmerman. So - where is it documented?
Your mischaracterisation of people’s positions is only serving to make you look stupid.
Erm, yeah. So, can you answer my question now, and give me a cite that he wasn’t punched more than that? She did not say “4 and no more. 5 is right out”.
It is entirely relevant, simply because your constant claim of it in the face of the evidence makes you not credible.
Don’t forget, the people you like to call “team Zimmerman” have repeatedly said that Zimmerman’s statement should be believed only so far as it’s backed up by evidence. Fortunately for him, that backup is substantial. Even the prosecution witnesses are backing it up, in examination by the prosecution, before cross even starts.
OK, all the detectives who told reporters that Zimmerman gave them the “25 to 30 times” claim at the scene are lying, as are all the doctors, people who write medical textbooks, and people who parse English grammar. Anyone else I should add to the list?
Can you point out which detectives told which reporters that Zimmerman gave them the “25 to 30 times” claim at the scene? Or did you just make it up again?
There is such a thing as “fact”. There is also such a thing as “fantasy”. You seem to have serious problems distinguishing between the two.
And that is relevant how? I personally have been punched in the face, with much less damage than Zimmerman suffered, and had difficulty recalling the details of the incident. I successfully counted to one, but it wasn’t a sustained attack.
It is extremely well documented that both stressful situations and head injuries affect memory.
So, why do you keep claiming he’s lying, and refusing to show any reason for it?
You should take most of them off, and add yourself. Actually, that’s unfair. You may be so traumatised by being corrected by us all the time that it’s affecting your cognition, and your constant misstatements could be inadvertent.
What’s left on the list of things that you are obstinately “correcting” me on by running in circles asking for details that I’ve provided eight times, once you remove things that you have backpedaled on and are now saying Zimmerman never claimed, or that aren’t relevant because as long as Zimmerman is “misremembering” and not “lying” it doesn’t matter that his whole story is impossible?
It’d be nice if you give something other than unsupported assertions about biology before claiming his whole story is impossible. Really, the whole thing? Even the bit about the fact that he shot Martin? Good, then, he’ll definitely get off now. Bit of a shocker, though, and it’d be nice to know who did do it…
Seriously, back your shit up with evidence, and stop with the sweeping, absurdly false, declarations.
Are you related to Stoid, by the way?
Serino admitted, quite openly, that a lot of things he told Zimmerman were lies, designed to get Zimmerman to contradict himself. Why do you think that the “25 to 30 times” think wasn’t one of such lies? You cannot find any corroboration for it anywhere in Zimmerman interviews or from any detectives at the scene…
FWIW, I looked over the transcripts.
By the time of the 2/29 interview with Serino, Serino says something about 25-30 punches. But neither Zimmerman’s written statement, his previous interviews, nor his video reenactment says anything about 25-30 punches.
On Hannity, he said he was punched “several, more than a dozen” times.
And as Serino has said under oath, a lot of what he said in those interviews were deliberate lies.
Right. Could also have just been an offhand exaggeration.
The only real evidence of a claim of many punches that I see is Zimmerman’s statement on Hannity that he was punched “several, more than a dozen” times. I’m not sure the difference matters to people who think his faced would be “caved in” by 25 punches, but I think that’s the facts as we know them.
I wonder if the people who’ve claimed that have ever watched a boxing match? I’ve seen people punched well over a dozen times in the face and had less injuries than Zimmerman. Hell, I’ve seen people punched multiple times in real life fights several times with no obvious injury, I doubt it’s more than a dozen though.
The only incidents I’ve heard about where people’s heads or faces have been caved in are from kicks to the head (especially with steel toed boots), or falls onto hard ground, sometimes from a punch. Again, the defence won’t struggle to find an expert to back that up.
Is this similar to the Chewbacca defense? What do we know, as a matter of settled fact? Zimmerman got a broken nose and trauma to the back of his head. How that leads to a conclusion that self defense is implausible is where you lose me, bro. Seriously, I am not following the syllogism you seem to think is so self-evident. “This ass-kicking was not nearly as bad as he described,” even if true, does not change the fact that an ass-kicking occurred.
Zimmerman had a broken nose and trauma to the back of his head, and no one is disputing that was the result of the altercation. Ignoring Zimmerman’s comments, what do you infer from that exactly? What circumstance do you hypothesize produced that outcome, one supported by the evidence, that makes self defense evaporate?
It’s hard to extrapolate from boxing or MMA, since they wear gloves. And most real life fights that I’ve seen don’t involve more than a dozen direct punches. But I tend to agree that a dozen punches or so is not logically inconsistent with the injuries as we know them, even if we might expect more damage. Indeed, if what Zimmerman says is true, based on what we know about the condition of Martin’s hands, he must not have landed too many punches squarely.
I have a little bit of anecdotal experience both bare-knuckled punches and people falling on their heads with significant force. Neither was invariably the cause of substantial outward injury when I’ve seen them happen. I had a friend take a fall bouldering that gave him a moderate concussion, but he didn’t have visible injuries any worse than Zimmerman.
That leads to harder punches to the head, as the boxers are less likely to injure their hands*, so if one of them can be punched harder that Zimmerman was likely to have been for far longer without greater visible injury, I’m not convinced it’s impossible for him to have received substantially the beating he described.
That said, my opinion is that the most likely number of punches is in single figures, and Zimmerman is mistaken about how many it was. I don’t think there’s any reason to think he was lying.
*I could probably dig up a cite for this if anyone really cares.
I infer that because Zimmerman lied, he is not credible. I’ve gone to pains to point out that the severity of the injuries in and of themselves does not rule out self-defense. But Team Zimmerman is interested in going circles about demanding explanations and citations a ninth or tenth time, ignoring passages that don’t fit their narrative, etc, so I can see how you could have missed that every time it’s been posted.