That is her castle. She is well within her rights to kill an intruder and protect her home.
This is not that case at all.
I am all for self defense. My wife is a lifetime NRA member and my father in law carries and takes me shooting all the time. I respect gun owners and their rights. My gun and self defense credentials are spotless.
trayvon was walking home
it happened to be raining
this is what he was actually DOING
nothing more or less
This is a pure case of he was singled out for…
being black,…
not for anything he was DOING
fatso gz revealed his ill will when he muttered “fucking punks” to the operator, followed by another racial epithet
people…Gz was the suspicious one, up to no good…NOT tm
Ah, so injuries, let alone a particular grade of injury, aren’t required before someone defends themselves.
So why are you so hung up on trying to minimize Zimmerman’s injuries as though that disproves self defense?
Were you there? If not, what makes you such an authority on Martin’s behavior?
Another? What was the first? And the second?
In your house.
Doesn’t fit the facts.
Yep.
Nope.
Prove it.
Prove it.
Martin was the one uttering racial epithets, not Zimmerman. So, by your “reasoning”, you’ve just shown he is the guilty one. Congratulations!
Well yes, we know Zimmerman was suspicious, that’s why he called the police. Martin was the one acting suspiciously.
Calling the police about someone you are suspicious of is not being “up to no good”, it’s the opposite, it’s literally being good, doing what you’re supposed to.
No, anywhere the person has a right to be. Florida statute 776.012:
Or anywhere in Florida.
Oh, and for completeness, 776.013, section 3:
Because I believe the totality of GZ’s actions makes him an equal or greater aggressor deserving of an ass whipping. As I and others have said countless times.
Nobody invaded Zimmermans property. Nobody but Zimmerman was recorded wanting to get punks and not let them get away. Based on the evidence Trayvon may well have been defending himself from a creepy ass cracker.
This is not a cut and dry case of self defense if you dont buy the details of how they came together and how the physical contact started.
I dont buy Zimmermans account as many here seem to do.
Doesn’t need to be. It needs to be proven that it was not self defence, otherwise he is not guilty.
You mean how Trayvon defended himself after rightly fearing great bodily harm?
Firstly, it’d be great if you could provide some evidence for that claim. And secondly yes, Zimmerman could theoretically have killed Martin in self defence after Martin legitimately defended himself.
None of that explains trying to minimize Zimmerman’s injuries to “boo boos” or whatever. If you think he was the aggressor, fine, argue that: he’s injured, but Martin inflicted the injuries legally. What does it serve to claim his injuries weren’t what they were?
Also, when did Zimmerman say that he wanted to get punks and not let them get away? My transcript seems to be missing that section.
I’m sorry you evidently didn’t know that Florida’s self-defense statute applied outside the home, but deflecting your error like this doesn’t speak to your debating in good faith.
No. Why didn’t you guys bring that up before now?
“Look Honey, the case cracker”
We all know with painful repetition the level the state must meet.
I am not in court. hell Im not even in the serious thread for this trial.
Calm down and listen to the words that are coming out of my fingers. I don’t think he will be convicted, but I don’t buy Zimmerman’s story. That is all. I choose to believe, based on the evidence I have seen that he was an aggressor and not entitled to self defense law.
Did Zimmermans profiling comments to nen constitute a threat when you couple that with him chasing after Trayvon. Would that be stalking. Is that a crime? Shades of gray? Zimmerman is not an angel here and his entitlement to self defense is not a foregone conclusion. Did Zmmerman push or detain Trayvon against his will prior to the punch?
I know these points have been debated and disagreed about as I have learned quite a bit from the good posters on this forum. Including you HumanAction.
I, unlike criminal justice student and ccw holder Zimmerman, did know about Stand Your Ground in florida. Your insults will be ignored.
You do not seem to understand that the aggressor can still be entitled to self defense under Florida law.
What profiling comments?
Stalking is a crime, but among other things, it requires multiple incidents. So, no, on that basis alone, Zimmerman wasn’t stalking Martin.
Maybe he did, but a) there’s no evidence that he did so, and b) the only arguments I’ve heard that he did something like that rely on very tortured interpretations of other evidence. For example, that saying “these assholes always get away” constitutes a vow to personally apprehend the “asshole”.
Good to know. Yes, most every aspect of this has been discussed at great length.
So…what’s with your “In your house” post?
What insult? “[Such-and-such remark] doesn’t speak to your debating in good faith” is not an insult.
You honestly believe that a six foot tall 17 year old male who weighs 160 lbs only inflicted boo boo’s while on top of someone in a fight that we know lasted over 38 seconds? Care to be the test subject of that thesis? We could compare the boo boos.