You mean acknowledging the difference between what can be known for certain, what’s a reasonable inference, and what’s speculation? Yeah, that’s me all over.
I think I’m following you. Certainly, if a statute like the one you sketched out was in effect, the prosecution could argue that a gun being carried by a person who wasn’t consciously aware of it met the whatever the statute’s definition of “lost” was. And it may or may not.
But Zyanthia, no, no, dont say the word negligence…that would mean he would have to take responsbility for what he did as a grown ass fatman, I mean, man. And we cant have that. We will have none of that round these parts…yeehaw
(although I do not think he ‘forgot’ at all, he knew exactly what he was doing)
That means I’ve avoided choosing a “team” and mindlessly insisting that every fact must support my team’s position, that all contrary interpretations are impossible lies, and that no ambiguity or uncertainty exists in this case. As avoiding that was and is a goal of mine, thank you.
Sure. And I agree that this duality of viewpoint is probably the source of much of the frustration in communication here. “But he OBVIOUSLY did something wrong!” shouts one side. “But he’s OBVIOUSLY not guilty!” replies the other.
Here’s the thing. In deciding what moral culpability to assign him, Right and Wrong discussions are obviously key.
But in deciding what should happen to him in the context of an arrest, trial, and conviction, the only relevant factor should be the law, as it existed the moment the event happened.
My worry is seeing a general attitude that appears to be, “Because I know he did Wrong, I’m OK with seeing him get tried and convicted, regardless of what the law itself says.”
I’m personally interested in getting more advice from the people who haven’t been through a concealed handgun training class, haven’t passed the written test, haven’t passed the shooting test, haven’t sent their information and fingerprints to the FBI for the background check, and haven’t carried a pistol 24/7.
Do continue educating those of us who’ve done all of the above, because it’s fascinating.
See, you even twist my comment to fit your agenda…wow, thats like double both ways,…hey, damm, your really good at this…are you double jointed?
Hey, nobody’s in a better position to evaluate a person carrying a concealed firearm’s conscious awareness of the firearm than people who don’t carry them and hold those who do in contempt. It’s just good sense.
I have mastered the dastardly arts of separating conjecture from proof, and articulating reasonable possibilities that could underlie a given set of facts.
Tremble at my sinister agenda!
Lok! yew eveen twist your speling and gramar to fit youre ajenda…wow, thats like double both ways twice,…hey, damm, youre reellee good at this…are yew dobble-dobble joineted?
If spelling if your concern in order to deflect attention away from the case, have at it…(although Im a pretty damm good speller, and didnt make any spelling mistakes, Miss Brown)
I am in the process of obtaining my Texas CHL. As such, I’ve been wearing my rig around the house, making sure it doesn’t print, etc… I will take it on faith that eventually this uncomfortable (yet comforting, per the deceased Colonel) hunk of metal, leather, and Kydex will be such a part of me that I ignore it completely as I walk around during the day. Even while driving.
But Zimmerman was at least jogging or quickly walking at one point during the encounter, before he was confronted by Martin. My rig is fairly snug, I’m not worried about weapon retention, and I don’t know what Zimmerman was using to conceal his PF-9, but I’d think you’d notice the gun if you were running. I’d certainly notice the weight on my hip. Therefore I find it preposterous that he didn’t realize he was carrying, especially after moving through the T to get to the other street.
For me, it doesn’t invalidate much of the rest of his story, but I think he told a whopper there. As well as his reason for getting out of the truck in the first place. None of which though has much to do with the question of whether he was justified in using deadly force at that moment of the fight.
I’ve been consistent, calling GZ culpable but also “not guilty.” I see the whole trial as a sort of sham, or political circus.
With great sadness, I agree there is a strong element in society who considers it b.s. or a sham to convict a white man of murder in the death of a african american man.
As O’Mara might say, “Seriously? Really?”.
If it’s actually uncomfortable, as opposed to just noticeable, then it may never happen. When I first got my CCDW permit, I carried a Sig-Sauer P229, which weighs two pounds and measures 7.1" long by 5.4" high. It never felt comfortable, and I doubt it ever would have (compare to Zimmerman’s PF9: 12.7 ounces, 5.85" x 4.3"…night and day difference). Since then, I’ve stuck with much smaller and lighter pistols, and they do indeed become something you ignore. Or, at least for me.
If you don’t mind my asking, what are you carrying?
You might, and you might not. His pistol is very light (my .380 is 20 ounces, 8 more than Zimmerman’s Kel-Tec, and it feels like nothing at all when it’s holstered, nor does it bounce around when I run), and he was simultaneously talking on the phone, getting his flashlight out, and trying to see where Martin was going.
To what end, though? We can reasonably disagree as to whether forgetting about his pistol is plausible or not. But what does Zimmerman have to gain by lying about it? If he says that he was fully aware of his pistol the whole time, then the fact that he didn’t draw it until 40 seconds into a fight he was losing supports his claim that he fired in self-defense.
I agree on that point.
Not none, but not all that much, agreed.
Your opinion on your spelling/grammar/punctuation skills are at least as cogent as your oh-so-insightful opinions on this case. And “.wow, thats like double both ways”
I’d ask about the “Miss Brown” comment (is the “Brown” part a racist way of saying that you think black people are bad at grammar and spelling? Is the “Miss” a covert way for you to say girls aren’t smart? Is it a reference–albeit an incoherent one–to the wonderful song popularized by Billie Holliday?), but I’ve chosen not to ask as it’s probably best not to plumb the depths of your psyche.
I obtained my Texas CHL in 2006, and carry a full-frame Walther P99 (plus 2 extra, loaded magazines) in either an IWB leather holster, an OWB canted Fobus holster, a SmartCarry holster, or an Uncle Mike’s nylon holster, which is what Zimmerman seems to have used.
It doesn’t take that long for the extra weight to become part of your life. I don’t consciously think of my billfold until I get to the counter to pay for something and I need it.
Maybe GZ was aware of his gun and maybe he wasn’t. Doesn’t matter because either way it calls for speculation.
(And while I agree with the practice of finding clothes that won’t “print” the gun, do be aware that printing and/or having your shirt blow open is NOT illegal in Texas. It’s only a crime if you “intentionally fail to conceal.” I once accidentally had my outer shirt tucked behind my pistol in an OWB holster in a crowded store. Oddly, nobody noticed except for a policeman outside who kindly informed me that my gun was showing.)
I asked a friend of mine with a CHL about that–he says that it’s like wearing glasses–you kinda know you are if you think about it, but if you don’t think about it you eventually don’t really notice it. His opinion was that while it was possible for Zimmerman to not think about it under stressful circumstances, he didn’t think it was likely.
Me? I dunno. If the analogy is “glasses”, I’ve certainly forgotten I’m wearing them, but I’ve never gotten to the stage where I started looking for glasses I was already wearing.