My hayday for comic books was 70s and 80s. I liked Marvel then because the heros were more down to earth. “Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman”, etc. DC had too many heros with unlimited powers - Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman. That being said, I absolutely loved the short-series DCs in the 80s - V for Vendeta, Watchmen, The Dark Night limited series (future Bruce had retired; gets pulled back in. Much darker than we were used to).
Apparently you never read any of the Guy Gardner Green Lantern stories. He fits both of those.
I have to pick DC. The Justice League and other animated series are GREAT, as well as the actual comics. And Superman (1978) was great. Okay, then they hired Zak and he ruined some films, but now DC is getting better, while MCU is getting worse.
Yeah, Marvel made some craptastic films, then hired a new guy and then they made some good to great films. I am not basing my vote on something that only started in 2008 and shows no sign of continuing.
I give, in rebuttal, all the Fantastic Four films.
DC makes better TV, animation, and graphic novels (Sandman is a true classic, and truly great). MCU makes better films. Or perhaps “made” better films.
Marvel on big screen, DC wins everywhere else.
The several/many DC animated series. Shazam films.
There is a substantial difference between DC (the company) rebooting it’s own continuity repeated, and Sony, who has yet to actually pay much attention to the FF source material, rebooting it’s intellectual property as a film series over and over and over again.
But yes, those efforts are truly terrible. I’ve been voting predominantly on the printed works (see all my earlier posts) but if I was only voting on the small/big screen media, it would probably be much closer to a dead heat. I like quite a few of the DC animated offerings, Marvel having an edge in the small screen, and the MCU having a huge edge in the to-date big screen.
But I do think the obsession with big budget superhero smash ups has been over done to the point that a rethink and slowdown would be a great idea. And I grant that animated content with quality stories, writing and voice acting is a better fit for the whole genre.
I’d say that some of the stuff on Disney+ has been at least as good as the best DC TV stuff (which to me is what is on Max; Doom Patrol, Titans, and Peacemaker - damn I love Peacemaker… I will kindly ignore the vast majority of what was on CW). And Daredevil was better than any DC television show.
Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 was better than any DC movie. And that was pretty recent.
Marvel has DC beat cold as far as TV/films to me. That doesn’t mean everything they do is great, but they’ve had lots of really good stuff, and I’m looking forward to more. They have one subpar film or series and suddenly they’re supposedly not good anymore. That’s taking recentism to absurd levels.
With one exception… DC by far has Marvel beat by a very, very large margin on the animated front. DC has made some masterpieces in the animated realm. Marvel… I guess the X-Men were good for their time in the 90s, but I can’t think of anything worth watching since.
I like DC mostly because Marvel ties every franchise together, and Superheroes and mutants and vampires just don’t work for me in the same continuity.
But I like most of the MCU films, until Endgame and on. I hate the multiverse (except, oddly, the animated one. It works in animation if you have real world Spiderman, Spider-Pig, and LEGO spiderman together, somehow.)
DC. When I was growing up, Marvel did not exist. They had terrible distribution outside of the big cities so I never saw them (only 80 miles from NYC, BTW). A friend moved next door with a collection of them, so I was the only one in my class who knew Spider-Man’s secret identity).
I never cared for the soap opera of Marvel. I started giving up when in a letters column someone praised Spider-Man for using the same story every issue.
I later realized one problem was that the villains were stupid. That was brought out in a Spider-Man story when the Beetle was tearing out the back walls of small businesses to get to a bank vault (When he could have torn it off its hinges).
I also am bored by fight scenes and that was the only way Marvel knew how to defeat the villain. No sign of outwitting them. (I did like Dr. Strange because the resolution wasn’t a fight).
I also didn’t like it when Marvel got the SEC to investigate me.
I rarely saw a Marvel comic book until the 70s. I was surprised to find out how many others had never seen Marvel books either. I just assumed it was my parents keeping me away from them like all the other fun things kids should like. I think the Spiderman animated series was the intro to many. I occasionally got a glimpse of the old Marvel semi-animated series with Thor, Ironman, Hulk, et al, and loved those. Still watch them when I they show up. I assume they’re online. Even their theme songs were incredibly creative, rhyming ‘gamma rays’ with ‘unglamourous’ is no mean feat. I didn’t dislike DC comics, but most of them were the same old same old. I did come across a Green Arrow book that began the gritty realism in comic book story lines, but the rest of the DC lineup continued aiming at youngsters for a quite a while.
Oh god yes! Punch harder, and more often! Endgame was boring! I thought it was going to be clever, it gave hints, but then, nope, just more punching.
As for comics, “marketing” did have an effect on me. Thor is one of my favorite MCU characters, but Thor in the comics looks like a dork. Not appealing, looked like nothing I wanted to read.
I worked for an investment firm, doing desktop publishing. This was back in the early 90s, when Ron Perelman nearly destroyed the company and the industry.* The head of research was doing a research report on Marvel Enterprises that was critical of their business plan and downgraded the stock. The report was also published in Barron’s Magazine, so it got wide notice.
When something like that goes out, it affects stock prices. Perelman alleged that the head of research gave out advance copies of the report, allowing them to capitalize on the downgrade.
I had to send the SEC all the drafts I formatted. I figure they were going to see which draft had gotten into other people’s hands. If it was before closing on Friday, it would have been insider trading.
The silly thing was that I finished the report on a Friday afternoon. Monday was President’s Day, so the market was closed (there was no overnight trading then). The Barron’s article came out on Monday. If anyone got the report when I finished formatting it, they couldn’t do anything about the stock until after it was public information.
*Oddly, Perelman’s vision that Marvel do more with other media turned out to be correct. He just went about it in a way that created a bubble by making dozens of “collector’s items.” The bubble burst in the mid-90s and Marvel went into bankruptcy Here’s a more detailed article on the debacle.
My first exposure to Marvel vs DC was as a young kid in the 80s. Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends was superior to Super Friends. When my parents would buy me comic books, I gravitated towards the X-Men. They don’t just fight bad guys but also prejudice. And the Incredible Hulk TV show had that sad piano line that told you “this is serious stuff.”
I’ve been Marvel ever since. I’ve grown to love all the different flavors of comics but at my core, I’m a Marvel fan boy.
Yes, but you made that point to me about my complaint about DC (specific) rebooting their universe with a tedious frequency as a counter. That’s not Marvel rebooting anything over and over and over again, it’s Sony who can’t quite manage to figure out what makes SuperHero movies fun or interesting.