I mean, he kinda already did…
If they slew Fitz, beware it!
Agents of SHIELD Season 5
OR
The Evils of Nepotism
Well, not a horrible season, but not the best. They upped the ante pretty well towards the start in terms of violence and darkness that they’re willing to delve into. Though, bingeing seasons 4 and 5 together, it really felt like too much. Season 4 ended pretty damn gloomy, just to jump straight into a new dystopia.
I guess at least they seemed to ignore the fact that Mack should have been mourning the loss of his daughter (again), but that’s a hell of an upside in the writing.
So I wish that they had given the characters at least a little bit of a break at the start of season 5.
And in terms of pacing, I think that would have done them some wonders as well, if they had done some throw away lighter episodes, because the whole Lighthouse section was just waaaaay too long. It felt like they were delaying just to hit the mid-season finale. If Flint had been brought back in time, for example, then sure his whole arc sort of makes sense. But as it is, you could have skipped all of that and just let the monolith open the portal from the past through signalling rather than rebuilding it in the future (after all, on Hive planet, there wasn’t a second monolith, just a portal). The rock mining gig and their interactions with Grill were all sort of pointless because Grill wasn’t capable of limiting them in any way. It’s like putting a side story in about the trials of tribulations of the Avengers trying to deal with a sticky doormat in front of their hideout.
Thor: Damn this thing, it keeps leaving residue on my boots!
And then to go from the joys of slavery and horror Yo-Yo to Deke’s megacrush, Evil Glenn Talbot in pajamas, and instagram model villainess was…questionable. It’s like they were trying to make up for being too dark earlier in the season and overshot into Smallville.
And fundamentally, Evil Glenn Talbot just didn’t seem terribly threatening. The man is not noted for his intellect, so tricking him into doing something stupid doesn’t seem like it should have been hard. Poison, for example, would have worked just fine. “Hey Glenn, we have some juice here that will make you twice as strong so you can save the Universe!” I do believe that there are more poisons in the universe than just the one.
Overall, this season just seemed to have too many plot holes of that sort.
“The Earth was torn apart by something that still creates gravity storms many decades later, probably gravitonium. Once we go back into the past, we should immediately collect all of the gravitonium and start assembling it into various devices, because clearly that won’t turn out to be a bad idea.” :dubious:
“Oh hey, I’m building a device for the bad people that uses gravitonium - the thing that almost certainly will kill almost everyone on the planet. They’re threatening to kill us, so clearly it makes more sense to capitulate on a dime despite being two people smart enough to understand that 2 deaths is worth the cost of saving 7.6 billion and that’s actually my exact job description.” :dubious:
And lots of little plot holes too. Kree warriors can punch through concrete. May, for as badass as she may be, cannot. I’m sorry but, how exactly are you fighting these people, toe to toe?
Shotguns don’t do diddly-squat against the fetish aliens, but if you punch them in the face, they’ll fall down dead? Wha? :smack:
A Shield Agent will think that it makes sense to turn on a device that signals aliens to come to Earth to try and signal SHIELD to come to her? Why not just like…call them and say that you want to show them something, or something?
The writers were, thankfully, being less stupid than they were back when they wrote the whole SHIELD vs. SHIELD tripe back in season 2, but they did good with Hive and the Framework, so it’s a disappointment to see them slipping back again. And other than the pacing, they weren’t doing too horrible until after the team got back to 201X. I have to wonder if they were getting mixed signals about the future of the show, what and whether they had to do something to match up with Infinity War, etc. and things got off track because of that.
Complaints be as they may, it was still mostly enjoyable. Better than season 2. But that’s not a high bar. Hopefully, they’ll course correct in season 6.
They also need to do some casting for season 6. It looks like it’s going to be Mack, Daisy, Yo-Yo, Simmons, and Piper. That’s a lot of ladies, without even getting to the question of whether May is going to come back.
As far as the Fitzsicle goes, I am curious of the exact sequence of events. At the latest, the timeline would have changed the instant that Talbot died. Was that before or after Fitz bled out? If it was after, then the fact that we didn’t see Fitz disappear into nothingness wouldn’t indicate anything.
If they showed Fitz dying after that, then the writers goofed up.
Realistically, he was or should have been killed by the G-force he was ejected from the planet at. If he survived the launch…well…he controls gravity. He can fly and move himself independently of the other forces acting on him.
Let’s say it takes him a full 1 second to realize that he’s been thrown at high velocity into the sky. At Mach 33 (escape velocity), he’ll end up at 37,000 feet before stopping himself. The atmosphere will probably be too thin for him to breath, but he just needs to hold his breath long enough to get back down.
Under free fall, you’ll be back in breathable air in a minute and a half. Talbot would be able to improve on that using his control of gravity (if he could survive the G-forces). It seems likely that he could have held his breath long enough to make it back, given that. Holding your breath for 60 seconds is not that onerous. And if he did, somehow, pass out then he would have simply fallen to the Earth and splatted.
We clearly see him floating in space.
We can propose that he and Daisy survived the fall against the street because Daisy was pounding against the ground ahead of them and her power effectively cushioned their fall. There’s no hard evidence that either of them can survive extreme G-forces or physical blows. From what we can see on film, if physics matter at all, then Talbot died by being accelerated to 25,020 mph in an instant. He was already dead before reaching the vacuum of space.
One last thing I just wanted to note is that, despite 5 full seasons of the writers paying lip service to the idea that Coulson considers Daisy to be his daughter and she considers him to be her dad, neither the script nor the actors have yet to ever actually do anything to cement that in any way, except when it can be used as a MacGuffin.
It’s like when a romance will be shot down because the leads have no chemistry together, but in this case it’s not romantic. On Coulson’s side, he keeps trying to assign her as the boss, but otherwise never does anything. He doesn’t hug her. He doesn’t look at her talking to a boy and get all protective or happy for her or anything. He doesn’t give her personal lessons on his insights into life or leadership. He seems to care about her as much as he cares about any of his other people and treat her exactly the same, except when he assigns her to lead the crew or lead the Inhumans or whatever, which doesn’t make any sense because - as said - we never see him doing anything to actually train her for leadership.
And the same with Daisy. She finally at least had the one small moment of being happy for Coulson, when he kissed May but, hell, that’s over a hundred episodes into the show. But we don’t see her go to him for advice, we don’t see her becoming more show-offy or more subdued when he’s around, or anything else. He’s just the Director, except where they need to send someone on a side-mission, so the writers put him in harm and she’s the one who they pick to have run off and save him because they have a “father-daughter relationship”.
Should any SHIELD writers see this, and Coulson survive to the next season, I do hope that you’ll actually do something about this. At the moment, Coulson and May and Daisy’s nepotism through season 5 just really stood out too strongly, all to just not really be very explained. May we can explain away a bit, because she’s the quiet inscrutable type, but why the hell aren’t Daisy and Coulson pinging anyone’s dad-daughter radar?
We don’t know that anything fades into nothingness at the point the timeline changed. There’s no definitive answer to the question of what happened to Deke so we don’t know if he disappeared or just walked away.
And why would Talbot’s death be the point where everything changed? It could have been a number of different places along the timeline - May smashing the vial of Odium, Coulson deciding not the take the Centipede serum, Daisy deciding to take the Centipede serum. Any or all of those could have been the point that the timelines diverged.
Their several tearful confrontations this season weren’t enough? How about them hugging and saying I love you? FWIW, I think their subtly growing father-daughter relationship has been one of the highlights of the show. Coulson’s not as Vulcan as May, but he’s not one to wear his heart on his sleeve either.
I did say the “latest point”.
I’m doubting that the character response from the audience was high. If they’re smart they’ll just make him disappeared forever.
He’s pretty well received over at the Agents of Shield reddit page.
60 seconds isn’t onerous if you have time to prepare. Getting blasted into space at the very least should have knocked his breathe out, control of gravity or no. He is then at a height too great to breathe, disoriented and disconcerted, with empty lungs.
Dead meat.
People have weird taste.
I’ll grant that there are more annoying characters in the history of cinema. The thought of having him continue to appear doesn’t fill me with rage, and all of his annoying traits are somewhat explained by the situations he’s lived through so he’s not completely irredeemable. But I can’t think of any point in time where I felt like he added anything positive to the show.
Was there someone here that thought otherwise and wants to make the argument for his continued existence?
Bumping this back up because Agents of SHIELD picked up for a 7th season. Meaning we get to watch the next season not worrying if it will get cancelled or not.
Hmm for some reason I thought they had already been promised another season. I guess I read something wrong. I know they were deliberately not going to come back until after Avengers. Who knows how that will change things.
It was previously renewed for season 6, to be broadcast in the summer of 2019. While poorly worded, this new news story looks like it’s renewed for a total of two more seasons at this point.
I didn’t catch that. Interesting. Hollywood Reporter is saying it will be 13 episodes like season 6.
It turns out that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is more popular than anyone thought.. Which could be why it is no longer on the bubble.
They don’t even list Clark Gregg as a cast member in that article. The show is going to suck without Phil, IMHO.
I’m hoping they’re just trying to keep it secret whether he’s going to return or not.