Full stop, you really do not know what you are talking about.
And with your affirmation that they should better die there you just told all that you have really no idea about what the concept of humanity is all about.
LOL. Maybe you have superpowers, but for us mortals, there are circumstances in which fighting back is hopeless and foolish and fleeing or hiding is the wisest course of action.
I’ve never met or heard of a white supremacist who did.
Wow, that’s some really impressive logic. And some excellent citations to boot.
One would think that ever since post #2 there were already very good citations from Hans Rosling and the UN, but someone is not paying attention.
Your cite is misleading, as it is only showing the percentage of arrivals by sea via the Mediterranean.
It makes sense that the percentage of men would be higher by that route, as it is the most dangerous. People don’t want to put their family at risk if it is at all avoidable, or unless they are desperate. [Here](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-crisis-six-charts-that-show-where-refugees-are-coming-from- where-they-are-going-and-how-they-are-getting-to-europe-10482415.html) is the info for all the different routes taken (full report by Frontex).
According to UNHCR, half of all refugees are children (full report at link).
If one clicks on the UN cite from Construct the disclaimer does notice that the number there is about sea arrivals.
That is, the ones that did make it, remember about “women and children first”? In this case it also points to the sad reality that many of the ones that do survive a ship capsizing are the men. Remember that the only survivor of the family of the child that drowned in the infamous photo was the father.
So, good catch camille, One thing that should be noticed is how often in discussions like this the ones that support pseudoscience or worse do like to just cut and paste the spin from very unsavory sources.
This is not an exception, that 75% spin comes indeed from very extremist sites. Early in the day V-dare (a racist and nativist site) posted it with the same spin, although they were honest enough to tell us that the UN was not giving the ages, it turns out that a lot of them are kids. The same spin showed 3 days ago in a very conservative anti-immigrant site in the USA.
Your cite is for total refugees worldwide, not refugees to Europe. It’s not better than the cite I gave. And the images of trains being unloaded surely don’t show very many women or children.
Also, I’m not exactly sure when the United Nations (in fact, the very same website you linked to) became ‘psuedoscience’, ‘unsavory’ or ‘extremist’. I’m pretty sure that no one even moused over the link I posted, much less read it.
Bullshit.
You didn’t qualify your claim as only sea arrivals to Europe via the Mediterranean, it implied that 75% of all refugees were men. And that is demonstrably false.
The Mediterranean is not the only route to Europe, it is not even the only sea route to Europe. Aylan Kurdi drowned in the Aegean Sea.
Of course I read your cite; how else would I know it was misleading?
Maybe you should avoid images of trains being unloaded from hate sites, but in any case, that is not a very scientific way to determine the numbers, is it?
Well, you didn’t call the UN an extremist website; GIGObuster did. On the other hand, perhaps he was knocking down the strawman of a website he himself brought up. The post wasn’t really well written.
You didn’t qualify your claim as referring to all refugees worldwide. You implied that half of all refugees to Europe were children. And that is demonstrably false.
Pay attention, I did not. And you are indeed babbling and your posts do sound incoherent when you claim that I called the UN site pseudoscience.
What I said was that the 75% (that was ok only for sea arrivals) number was spin by the nativist and racist sites so as to get a misleading result.
And you happily cut the spin and pasted it here thinking that it was a good idea.
You are only showing who are the misleaders that you like to consult.
You made that claim before mentioning any example websites, e.g. your post was poorly written. And calling it ‘spin’ is very misleading, because it’s literally right there on the very page I linked to. It’s not a buried statistic in an incomprehensible report; nor does it doesn’t require calculation. It’s directly given on a highly visible page maintained by the United Nations.
Oh, and one more thing I forgot, sorry about this. One should report also to others reading how one can find the iffy sources that pseudo scientists or woo woo proponents come with.
In many encounters with pseudo scientists one can find that **they do indeed cite good scientific papers or sources **, but virtually every time me or many others that do take a closer look we find that the spin they gave the good cite it was either misleading or the poster just had no clue about how the woo woo proponents or racists and nativists from sorry sites did mislead the “copy pasta” posters.
As Science writer Peter Hadfield taught me, one can indeed in the 21st century check on who the sources that claimed something fishy are coming from.
(Why the media screw up science Part 1: Sources)
And you were wrong anyhow, my problem is with grammar, what is your excuse for falling for that spin that pseudo scientists also typically use? They also do assume that people will not check the context of the cherry pick that was taken from a good report.
How did I imply anything about Europe? That was part of your unmentioned qualifier, which you are now trying to dodge with this pathetic response.
Imagine if Bibi accepted even just a relative few Syrians just as a good will gesture if nothing else. It would take a real leader to do that. But a hawk like Bibi would see it as some sort of capitulation to Arabs.
BTW, the spin was very clear, that 75% number was used to misleadingly tell us that all refugees were mostly men that were cowards or had no families with them. In a UNICEF report the numbers showed that a third of the ones that passed through Greece were women and children, it points to the men’s numbers to be about 66% (It is really sad that this has to be pointed, again, to some that the spin is not the number, but what was implied by the racist and nativist sites)
I will not link to that trash but suffice to say is that the earliest original site with that spin also mentioned things like: “Germans, hide your daughters!”
Do I need to point at the whistle, no, the megaphone that is being used to call other racists and nativists there?
The spin also does include the things that were not mentioned about that number but the UN does at their site. The disclaimer in the graphic was not mentioned in the post here, it was not mentioned that the number was about sea arrivals only, the spin also does not mention a huge excluded middle: those sites do not report that a good number of women are left in the refugee camps to be called or helped later, the women are not in the countries where the violence takes place.
And the spin by the sorry sites included forgetting to mention what it is happening in the ocean, this includes the sad fact that many of the sea arrival numbers do not have more women or babies accounted because when a ship or raft sinks… well, you should know why the numbers are like that already.
At least I hope so because I assume that even nativists do understand about context and humanity.
Oh yes, look at him. There he sits comfortably at his home computer making bold claims about how men should rise up against impossible odds and get themselves killed in defense of their home. Of course he knows that the same will never be asked of him, so he can make those claims easily.
Look how he berates those Syrians for not having made their country a better place. That makes me wonder how he has contributed to making the US the rich and (relatively) safe place that it is today. What sacrifices did he make for his country? Or maybe, just maybe, he was simply darn lucky to be born into a place that had already taken care of all that for him and now for some unfathomable reaon he believes that this justifies him looking down upon the people who were less fortunate and calling them “cowards”.
Maybe I am wrong. Maybe you are in the army or the fire brigade or in any of the few other occupations where Americans are still putting their life on the line for the benefit of their country. Are you, Construct?
I shouldn’t think this will make any difference to you but, as a 50-year old grizzy male, it did to me.
I was sitting in commuter traffic listening to this interview. Embarrassingly, it made me cry. Give it a shot if you have a few minutes:
https://audioboom.com/boos/2751337-syria-2014-a-new-interview-with-the-surgeon-david-nott
For anyone else, well, if you ant to be informed about what’s been happening in Syria, you should listen to this British surgeon.
First of all, Israle has been helpingSyrians for some time now.
But letting refugees in, even a small amount, can lead to huge problems. If Syrians hear that Israelis are accepting refugees, hundreds of thousands could appear on the Israeli-Syrian border, which is as heavily fortified as that between North and South Korea. Remember, Israel and Syria are at war, and you can’t just open your border with an enemy, even for good reasons, because you can never know who will come through. Israel has been trying like crazy for the past 5 years to stay out of the shooting war in Syria, and something like that could tip the delicate balance it’s created and make things much, much worse.