I don’t like those that advocate dehumanization and violence, and I don’t feel the need to constrain that to a specific group of people.
No, that’s standard right wing victim-blaming rhetoric. What we are *supposed *to do is what you say; sit by passively until we get carted off to the death camps, because nobody bothered to stand up to the right until too late.
“You’re intolerant because you can’t tolerate the intolerant.” Fuck off!
Preaching alarmist, conspiratorial violence isn’t a fucking game or philosophical exercise. Such people need to be monitored, controlled, demonetized, and restricted like we do with all other violent extremists.
I don’t need to accept targeted acts of, live-streamed, mass slaughterings as just the burden of [del]allowing[/del] enabling profitable, violent speech.
I think what terrorists of all kinds want us to do is to have the discussions on their terms. They want to polarise and divide and avoiding doing that is the part that is completely in our control.
The above statement you quoted is bigoted bullshit. Acknowledging it as such and calling it out is the right thing to do. Pointedly criticising those that spew such stuff is the right thing to do. What is far more problematic and what delights the extremists is when we begin hollow out the middle ground of discussion and make it a no-go area.
There is a legitimate, non-bigoted, case to be made regarding controlled immigration. The danger (which is already manifesting itself I think) is that those even beginning to have that discussion get labelled as far-right sympathisers and as such their opinion can be safely ignored.
I’m not suggesting that you are doing this, neither explicitly nor implicitly, but handing that middle ground to bigots and extremists is very dangerous indeed and we should all be careful not to do so.
That is true for some people ostensibly near the “middle” but on an individual basis. If the quote in question had come from someone whose other views were not widely known, it could be the basis for a discussion, but since we already know how the conversation will go, it comes across as needlessly inflammatory and borderline trolling since not only do we know the conversation would be useless, he knows the conversation would be useless and so the easiest conclusion is that he is posting this just get a rise out of the rest of the Dopers.
“I am acknowledging that this is a counterexample to my thesis, but hardly sufficient to undermine my thesis: the real problem is still Muslims” was what I drew from your post.
If I was wrong in any of that, please feel free to correct me.
Because of course he’d say something like that.
Rush Limbaugh still gets aired on the Armed Forces Network.
And if there’s one thing you can trust a murderous asshole to do–a murderous asshole who’s steeped himself in the filthiest corners of 4chan and reddit–it’s to play it with you straight, right? Because there’s no way he’d try to fuck with you.
Dude. Paying his self-aggrandizing claims any fucking mind at all is carrying out his plans. When you talk about his tune, you’re dancing to it.
Ignore his psychopathic psychobabble. Do the right thing, which is to condemn and marginalize and disempower the xenophobes and racists and white supremacists who make space for his brand of mass murder.
A man who murdered a bunch of people finds inspiration from the same place as the president of the United States’ supporters, and discussing that fact is where the problem lies in your mind?
Thanks for posting that link. Now I shall regard SlakerInc as nothing more than the bigoted piece of shit that he is.
…And, obviously (so obvious I forgot to say it at first), the right thing to do is to marginalize the forces, whether lobbyists or propagandists or manufacturers, that make these big massacres and dozens of daily low-key murders possible. End the gun hegemony in our political system.
Now I know you’re getting ready to freak the fuck out, Ale, and start telling me about how my inability to visually distinguish between an AR-15 with a bump stock and an AR-15 without a bump stock makes my opinion on gun issues irrelevant. BUT THAT’S JUST WHAT THIS GUY WANTS YOU TO DO!!!1!!
Don’t argue. Don’t deepen the divisions. Come together, and let’s work to end gun violence.
No kidding he wasn’t playing it straight. That’s why he lavished praise on Candace Owens even though his racist self didn’t like her. Everything around her is a ball of division and chaos. Of course hitting checkpoints like that helped a goal of his. I’ll defer to what experts would have to say but I’m pretty sure most of them would also see this.
- He was a hateful bigoted psychopathic murderer.
- He wanted to exacerbate discord and balkanization in society.
Those two items aren’t at all mutually exclusive. It seems like people are arguing as though they are. Very sad.
Your last paragraph comes down to who we label as such and there is a lot of ambiguous area where we need to careful, not necessarily applicable in this case.
Can I imagine shoving the guy out of an airplane (with a parachute) so that he lands, oh, about 20 yards from the Kaaba?
With a sign pinned to him.
Classy as always. :dubious:
I think most here would prefer you didn’t “pipe up” at all.
Can we stop pretending this shit is just an accident now? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2018/09/04/that-was-no-white-power-hand-signal-at-the-kavanaugh-hearing-zina-bashs-husband-says/
Did you read the article?
It’s not really a “White Power” symbol, just a troll symbol.
I’m going with the ADL, they seem a little more reliable than some alt-righties from 4chan.
If she meant it as such, she’s completely retarded. (She’s not even white)
(I’m soooo tired of this stupid meme. Congratulations. You’ve done exactly what a bunch of basement dwelling losers wanted you to do. Thanks for making the left look like a bunch of complete fucking morons)
I don’t give two shits whether it is a white power signal or a trolling signal of solidarity amongst white supremicists. It’s a distinction without a difference and our fucking White House shouldn’t be encouraging it.
It may have started as a troll, but it has since been coopted by the right. The same way Pepe the Frog started out as a troll but has become a right wing symbol.
People wearing Bernie Sanders gear verbally attacked Chelsea Clinton at a vigil for the dead in New Zealand for being responsible for the New Zealand shooting.
CHELSEA CLINTON??? WTF? This world is going crazy.
Not everybody knows that though. If someone saw say, my father make that sign, it would be a pretty safe bet he wasn’t making a WP gesture.
Like I said, if you read the article, it’s more of a “I’m going to flash this to make people think I support WP” or actual alt-righties who just like to piss people off.
People would probably be a lot better off ignoring 4chan. Then perhaps we wouldn’t be seeing things like free bleeding and the like.