We have enough pols and individuals barking repulsive racist screeds, thank you very much. Don’t need to import any more.
Of course you, being one of the worst offenders in the SDMB in the category of people who incite hatred, would object to the notion of not doing things that would further escalate conflict.
Maybe Orcenio can have a word with you on the topic of dehumanizing people.
As seen here one of the immediate reactions is to try to silence people who call for a non kneejerk reaction.
The old “we are either with us or against us”.
One thing I’ve been thinking is how much of a mirrored situation this is; when an Islamic terrorist commits an atrocity there’s always the knuckle dragging contingent that comes out of the woodwork with their talk of, for instance, banning Islam, and then people respond that would be stupid because, among other things, it would only further inflame conflict and that’s what the terrorist want.
I’m willing to bet there are many people right in this thread that have walked right through the looking glass without even noticing.
On the contrary. Different countries taking various measures to officially stamp out vocal racist shitbaggery might be a good thing - last time we had to shoot it out and they still had the time to perpetrate immense horrors. Trying to slap the shit out of their mouths before they get anywhere close to power might work out this time around.
Speaking of which, America and Great Britain, you’re not doing you part. Points **will **be docked. And Australia, you did the Tony Abbott thing, so you’re still on watch.
Because I’m a strong supporter of hewing as close as possible to free speech absolutism. Not because of the First Amendment per se (I understand that doesn’t apply to Australia, or even to the U.S. necessarily when it comes to choosing to deny entry to a non-citizen), but because of the kinds of principles John Stuart Mill laid out.
My initial reaction: Hey, Senator. Why did you punch the guy? After all, you brought it on yourself, right?
The problem with free speech absolutism is that humans are very easy to manipulate. And most of the time that’s fine, because most of the time people only try to manipulate other people to get attention, or love, or cake.
But history has demonstrated time and again that if you let people manipulate other people for hatred and violence, then violence will happen.
Sometimes the only proper answer to speech isn’t further speech, it is to drown speech with a heartfelt amount of FUCK YOOOOUUUUs, hopefully followed by a punch in the mouth. And yes, I do realize that rationale can be turned around and is absolutely instrumentalized by the hatred brigade in order to justify their own violence. But it’s kind of like how porn is hard to strictly define but you just know it when you see it : if you have a working moral compass, you know when the time for earnestly engaging is over and the time for you can fuck right off is nigh. Ultimately morality is the only yardstick by which to go. And you better hope the right one has been drilled or happened unto you by the time you become an adult. Otherwise you’re hopefully quite likely to get punched in the mouth.
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Uhh…dude. You’re French.
I’d ban Milo just because he’s an annoying jackass, regardless of his politics.
Well true – but that’s the case for most racists.
I just think a lot of the people doing it are trolls who are all, “derp derp derp, look, at me!!! Think I’ll trigger some libtards!!!” Best not to give them the satisfaction.
(As for “accidents”, if you’re talking about the Navy guy, the video showed he was scratching his ear)
And some people genuinely don’t know what it is. Like I said, my parents would be completely clueless.
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What’s your point ?
…how do you reconcile “free speech absolutism” with your opinion that Muslims shouldn’t be allowed in America and your decision to actively work to not defeat the racist, anti-semitic President of the United States but instead a black, Muslim member of Congress?
C’mon. Think it through.
It takes a real shallow comprehension level to not see why a person would advocate for action against alt-right extremists and against blanket Muslim reprisals, in the aftermath of respective right-wing and Islamic terrorism. The former is tackling the dangerous extremists inciting violence, while the latter is targeting random peaceful people (and a good example of right-wing extremism itself).
Our governments must (and do) monitor and act against Islamic militants who are promoting, organizing, fueling and inflaming violent extremism. Demanding that these rules should also apply to the alarmist, violent, conspiracy laden rhetoric of White Nationalists, “ethnostaters,” and “White Genociders” isn’t hypocritical nor outlandish.
As soon as you say that or try to do it, these same fuckers who want to deport or kill based on religion or skin tone will scream about their freedom.
Someone needs to tell them “fuck you” and then take care of them. That includes all the shit stirrers like Trump, King, Limbaugh, Alex jones, Gorka, Bannon, Hannity, O’Reily, Yannopoulis, “the crying nazi”, etc etc etc.
They cry freedom of speech and freedom of the press, to defend hate speech, sedition, and incitement.
Why not? To hell with that shit eating pustulent maggot. I’ll celebrate AGAIN, if and when he drops dead.
I don’t see how colonialist racism is a reason for free speech absolutism, but you do you.
Banquet Bear, cite for my not working to defeat Trump? :mad: I volunteered for, and donated to, Hillary’s campaign in 2016, and you better fucking believe I will redouble my efforts in 2020 once we choose a nominee. Even if it’s Bernie.
ETA:
I will celebrate with you when he drops dead (well, depending on why he drops dead, I guess). Corporate or governmental action to muzzle him is what I will not celebrate. First, they muzzled the shit eating pustulent maggots…
What do you know about free speech? You guys speak a totally different language!
(I have no idea what the fuck he’s on about, either)
…are you seriously asknig me for a cite you racist fuck?
You’ve started two threads on the Muslim member of congress. One was a pitting. And one where you claim to have:
She isn’t even in your fucking district. Yet you’ve contacted your congressman, your state senator, your state rep, the Governor and another senator to get her censured or expelled. And if that doesn’t work you are going to donate to her opponent. And you are even considering travelling to her district to volunteer on behalf of her opponent.
Are you seriously comparing these significant efforts to voting for Hillary? Do you think we are fucking stupid? That we can’t read the very words that you have written here?