Dude, I started off this thread calling for an investigation into voter fraud. What more do you want? A personal apology note from Hillary Clinton on behalf of your local election board?
Be very interesting if he actually does turn up fraud, for him, and the investigation he started because he couldn’t stand being the loser in the popular vote is what brings him down.
But, in a more serious note, it is likely that there is fraud on local levels that may be turned up, so if he is comprehensive enough about it, there may be some interesting things turned up.
That said, with as much as he trusts the govt that he is currently running, he will probably call up those guys he put on vacation to Hawaii to get the dirt on Obama to do the investigation. We can get daily twitter updates about how we wouldn’t believe the stuff that they are finding.
A ha! You admit felons vote for Democrats! Maybe Hillary should have campaigned at the prisons. She would have drawn bigger crowds unless that falls under cruel and unusual punishment.
Trump seeks ‘major investigation’ into unsupported claims of voter fraud
Despite Trump’s announcement, I’m not sure this investigation will take place. But if it does, I’m sure the many posters to this thread who declared that there would be no investigation because the whole thing is a bluff will be back with their mea culpas.
FTR, I think the notion that there’s “massive” voter fraud, to the extent that Trump might have won the popular vote, or anything close to that, is ridiculous. However there’s no doubt that voter fraud does happen on a small scale (e.g. I personally know someone who voted illegally) and it’s possible that it might have tipped the scales in really close elections (e.g. Franken/Coleman).
That said, I don’t know what any investigation can show. ISTM that controls are so lax that it’s virtually impossible to detect invalid registrations (which is why the guy I know has zero likelihood of getting caught).
So the Democrats win coming and going. First, they strenuously resist any attempt to put any sort of controls over the voting process (and call anyone who objects a racist). Then, when as a result of this very lack of controls you can’t find any evidence of fraud, they turn around and use the lack of evidence as proof that there’s no fraud. Win-win, all around.
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You were not disenfranchised; your vote counted (or we can assume so as much as we can assume anyone’s vote is counted). This is true regardless of how you voted.
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No one is ignoring it. There is a number (again, somewhere between 10 and millions) below which problems and glitches in the system are static. A lone, single-sourced anecdote about a single abuse of or error in the system is not enough to make any rational person think that the system is broken.
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Any person who, having been elected, both insists that the election was compromised in a major and significant way and calls for changes to voting laws as well as refusing to dedicate resources to proving that allegation and refusing to hold his own election as illegitimate is clearly an enemy to Democracy and the American people, as are those who defend him.
I don’t mean to be over dramatic, but really, I cannot reconcile how anyone can accept “millions of illegal votes” and “I was elected your president, no question about it” from the same person unless they care less about the Democratic process than they do about the particular demagogue in power.
Was that some attempt at a gotcha there? Pretty lame if it was. Pretty non sequitur if it were not.
If a convicted felonious criminal serves their sentence, and is paroled and released, and is re-enfranchised, (as is the case in many states), then they need to vote for someone, right?
Is it that much of a stretch of the imagination that they would vote for the party that doesn’t treat them like shit?
It’s not really a gotcha on the part of the democrats, so much as at is a “No duh!”
But, if you were having issues understanding that concept, I am happy to have helped out.
Well, that’s a really stupid idea.
You are aware that felons in prison cannot vote, right? (In most states, it seems there was one, maybe two that they could, but I am not bothered to look it up right now.)
Does anyone truly believe that there are 5 million Americans thinking, “Gee, I’m going to risk the felony charge for the chance to have absolutely no effect on anything!” Particularly when the charge appears to be specific to California and New York where your vote, legal or illegal, truly is meaningless.
I believe that there are some that have been conditioned to believe that the Democratic Party is made up of, not people with different opinions, but cartoon-like villains that will break laws in an attempt to knowing destroy this country.
Sorry, I only take cash.
But, trump promised it. He never goes back on his promises.
But, yeah, if he goes through with it, I will be surprised that he has actually gone through with something he said he would do, but only because he has shown a remarkable pattern of lying.
Were any other president to be in such a position to claim such fraud had taken place, I would have little doubt that they would investigate. With Trump being a pathological liar, it’s harder to tell.
How does he do it? Does he just go in and vote under other people’s names?
What does he accomplish? Is he not an eligible voter, so he is getting a vote that he is not entitled to? Is he voting multiple times? If so, how many?
How does he know that the poll worker does not know the person that they are signing for? How does he know that the guy behind him doesn’t know the person he is voting for? How does he know that you are willing to help to undermine the electorate by not turning him in?
ISTM that if any part of that chain is broken, he goes to jail as a felon, and loses his right to vote. He’s pretty dumb, if you ask me, to take such a risk for so little gain.
On the plus side, I think we’ve found st cad’s voter.
If this investigation actually happens, how long will it take for Trump to twit that the investigation was rigged?
Most of these questions are moot.
When he was in his early teens he registered to vote as a 40 year old (or around that age. He was afraid of draft registration issues if he made it a younger age). He was intending to vote absentee, but ended up voting in person (I forgot why). He said when he left he could hear the senior citizens manning the voting place saying “they’re getting younger and younger these days …” 
Well the thread is about “massive voter fraud” as claimed by the president. “Millions” of illegal votes. Whether or not you or I believe that voter fraud ever happens on a small scale (“I know it has happened once”) is irrelevant; possibility or even proven existence of “small scale fraud” (>0 instances) is not evidence that 2+% percent of the votes cast this election were fraudulent.
The fact that you are dickering about how important it is that some Democrat come into this thread to apologize to you if the president does something that they don’t think he’ll do, or that you think it’s relevant that you know one guy who falsifies his ballots instead of being concerned about addressing the “fact,” put forth by the current administration, that this election was clearly a farce and un-Democratic (again, as claimed by the president who won the damned thing) blows my mind.
I’ll repeat what I’ve already posted:
-There is a threshold below which voter fraud doesn’t matter from a systems/resource perspective.
-If the problem is above that threshold, then we have an illegitimate government, and it is our “duty” as “patriots” to demand a re-vote.
If he actually goes through with it, I assume all that will happen is they will find a few instances of voter fraud that made no difference, he will hold up the study and say “SEE!!! FRAUD!!!” his supporters will eat it up, his detractors will point out that it’s insignificant and doesn’t even come within a few orders of magnitude of what he was claiming, and that none of it will matter, because “SEE!!! WE FOUND SOME (insignificant) EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD!!!” And then he’ll just repeat the lie of widespread voter fraud taking the popular vote away from him (why does he give a shit?) and that’s all most people will remember.
If they do unearth systematic, widespread, pervasive abuses of the electoral system, then that’s great and that needs to be fixed. Who would argue with that? I don’t think either side, Democrat or Republican, want an electoral system in which the results are in question.
I agree about everything besides the “most people” part. The media has been unusually forceful in calling Trump a liar over this issue, and I imagine this attitude would continue.
I disagree. I think there’s a widespread assumption that voter fraud, to the extent that it exists, benefits Democrats, and this influences the position of both parties on the issue.
I think there is a chance he pursues some kind of witch hunt “investigation” that the GOP will use to further surprises minority voting.
If you read his tweet carefully you will figure out what Trumps game is.
[QUOTE= Trump on twitter]
I will be asking for a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and…even, those registered to vote who are dead (and many for a long time). Depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedures!
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Note that he has subtly moved the goal posts from illegal voting (which is very rare) to registration of inelligable voters (which is relatively common). Dimes to donuts, he’ll do an investigation, find millions of errors in the voting roles, (next to none of which actually resulted in fraudulent votes) and declare victory. The media will try to explain the difference but will be ignored as liberally biased by his supporters who will see Trump as vindicated.
Your autocorrect has trouble with “suppress”.
Why are you so confident that “next to none” of these ineligible voters have actually voted?
Hell, I’ll bet money on it.
The details won’t be noticed by the Trumpists. Just do something, anything that has a word like “millions” and they will believe millions voted illegally.