2746328104 in decimal?
I don’t recall that ever happening, and I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t miss something like that. Great, now I have an excuse for seeing the movie a second time! (As if I weren’t going to anyway :p)
Dumb question:
I’ve seen some spoilers about the movie say that cypher makes a return. This isn’t correct, right? The guy who smith takes over and puts into the ‘real world’ vaguely looks like cypher, but he’s not intended to be him, right?
Was that just some rumor turned spoiler, or did I miss something?
Heres my take on it:
To me, the entire movie is about free will and the illusion of free will.
First, some minor points: Tank, Dozer & crew all died in the first Matrix. Link is there to replace Dozer since He is thier brother in law and he made a promise. The other positions have not been filled yet.
The kid who tags Neo at the start is from the Animatrix Short “A Kids Story”. He was one of the ones “saved” from the matrix and has a hero complex about Neo.
It appears that the “routine” work of Zion was that of “saving” people. The AniMatrix Short “A detective story” shows one such saving that didnt go quite right. It seems that a large faction of Zion’s commanders are not convinced by Morpheous’ conviction about prophesy and regard him as slightly nutty but he seems to be very popular with the people. Like all good prophets, people tend to ignore him and go on with Business as usual.
It appears the agents do not know about the previous iterations of the matrix. Agent Smith seems convinced in the first movie that once he wiped out Zion, he would be able to retire.
Some speculation:
Zion is real. Full stop. Its just a gut feeling.
Neo didn’t stop the sentinals, the ship did. It parked out of range, fired off an EMP, and then came and picked them up, I imagine it would be SOP. It doesnt quite explain Neo’s coma though.
When Agent Smith was assimilated into Neo, Neo gained certain powers from the agents but Smith also gained something. Im guessing that one of his new abilities is to “upload” his program into human conciousness. Thus, when he does the slimy thing, hes not just replicating himself inside the Matrix, he actually infects that persons mind. In this way, he is able to escape the matrix into Zion.
Now, onto the main crux.
The main revelation of the entire movie is that the free will the antagonists thought they had was completely a sham. The entire fight, Zion and the prophesy was all predesigned by the Architect. To me, a good analogy was, say you wanted to build a kettle, a “simple, elegant” kettle would be composed of a single metal sphere, perfectly round with no holes. Unfortunately, it doesnt work. You need a place to vent the steam so you build a carfully designed valve to vent off the steam harmlessly. Similarly with humans, there is always the extreme end of the bell curve which is not happy with who they are and have a thirst of discoving truth. Zion is that vent which keeps them from overflowing the Matrix. After the failure of the first Matrix, the Architect purposely built in a Zion into the second. Every hundred years, “the one” goes out into the desert with 16 women and 8 men (is this religously significant) and found a new city built on opposing the matrix. Every 100 years, the Sentinals destroy that city and it all starts again. That has happened for the last 500 years and it looks like its going to happen for the 6th, except Neo steps in. The entire human race is just like a line of dominos, each step following after th previous one, cause and effect. EXCEPT, when Neo is in the core with the Architect. This is the only place where choice can occur. the TV screens behind Neo show him the potential futuures that he has. When he comes into the room, the screens are in sync, but Notice, however, that the screens become more concordant as Neo’s resolve strengtheds, When he leaves the room, they are in sync again. Choice has disappeared and causality has returned.
Just thought of this point: For Pratchett fans, I view the Architect as a more malevolent version of Ventinari. He pushes at just the right spots to keep the world going according to his plan.
My guess for the basic plot of the third is something like love is irrational and trasponds cause and effect. The machines do not truely understand what love is and underestimate Neo. With a heart rending ending about how those uppity humans really ARE superior to machines.
Its interesting to not how the issue of humans as batteries was interestingly side-stepped. The response could be construed as either humans as batteries of humans as processors which might make an interesting plot point for the third.
Unresolved points:
How can the oracle tell the future? How can Neo tell the future? Is causality that strong? Can a machine predict a rusty ladder?
Is the oracle good or evil? Can we trust her?
What will happen to the agents when they discover they are about to be reloaded? esp Agent Smith?
Does the Merovingian know about the matrix being reloaded? Did he and the other programs somehow escape being deleted (Persephone mentioned that the werewolf bodyguards were from a previous version). If so, why did he try so hard to keep them from the keymaker?
Shalmanese
A stretch , but try this for Revolutions. Neo is a pawn in the architects (or the machines) plan to reboot the 2nd matrix. In essence, as the architect stated, the one is a sum of the matrix programming imperfections. WIth that being said, it is impossible for him to be totally human. In the third one when people start waking up from this zion matrix, (i.e. Trinity) he will not be able to because he is just a program. But he is a program that fell in love with a human, and because of this, he will sacrifice himself and destroy himself, and the matrix, for the love of Trinity and save humanity.
Im not saying this is right, but it would be interesting 
Sadly, the Oracle won’t be in the third one. From what I understand, the wonderful actress who played the part died before filming her scenes for Revolutions. No doubt there will be repurcussions of the revelation that she’s part of the Matrix system, but she won’t be there to react. 
I don’t think she’s evil, though. I don’t think the Architect is evil, per se, either. Aside from the Agents and Squiddies, I never got any sense of malevolence from the machine overlords of the Matrix. Is using people as batteries bad? Yes, clearly. But are they mistreating their human batteries? No. The lives of the prisoners have ups and downs, but they are not playthings. They aren’t abused in any way, that I can see. They are prisoners, but they don’t know they are, so they don’t suffer from that.
I wonder, in fact, if what Morpheus et al are trying to do is moral – if they shut down the Matrix, what becomes of all the people? Because let’s face it, the Real World, if it is real, which I’m not thinking it is, is a living hell. No sky, no sun. The world is desolate and broken. The food is terrible. Humanity has to cower thousands of kilometers under the ground for warmth. Compared to that, the Matrix might actually be bliss. Is it moral to pull people out of the lives they have in the Matrix and cast them into the Hell of reality?
I hate to try to predict the ending, but it’s too tempting. Since the fundamental question is now whether reality is reality or not, I think they may just leave the answer up for interpretation. (Similar to the ending of Total Recall, where we aren’t sure if he’s still in the dream or not).
Yes, Zion is an “outer matrix”. Neo has just realized this. The sentinels are coming to kill all the people in it anyway. Since Neo realizes it is an “outer matrix”, he sets about trying to wake up the others before the sentinels kill them.
…and when he’s done, he successfully wakes up 17 women and 13 men :eek: (or whatever the hell the number was). Thus, Zion is destroyed, but Neo has created the New Zion, as the Architect required. And it’s never made clear whether the New Zion is or is not real. 
This also implies that, while NEO represents choice in the Matrix, in truth both of those doors in the Architect’s room led to the same result, just in different ways.
Because last time he did that, he created the Agent Smith™ v.2?
Speaking of which, I wasn’t clear as to why Agent Smith™ v.2 still has a beef against Neo. What does he want?
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Originally posted by Deva
Anyone else deduce that they’re probably aren’t any condoms in Zion. Can you say “The One, Jr.”?
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Ah, I suppose that would be where Neo v.7 comes from.
To the parked-ship/EMP/calamari speculation…In Matrix, we got neato ‘shockwave’ sfx when the EMP was used. Granted, I realize that this wouldn’t be the actual case, but it’s either a continuity flaw (if an EMP was used), or an EMP wasn’t used.
**0xA3B1A428 **
In computer hexidecimal, each 2-digit string is a byte.
So we’re looking at:
A3 = 163
B1 = 177
A4 = 164
28 = 40
If we convert to ASCII, we get:
A3 = £
B1 = ±
A4 = ¤
28 = (
Or, maybe A428 is packed decimal, in which case we’re talking about £±1428.
If we convert it to EBCIDIC we get:
A3 = t
B1 = ¹
A4 = u
28 = [se?]
If we convert it to Wingdings, we get:
A3 = £
B1 = ±
A4 = ¤
28 = ( (Did someone ask for an exit?)
That’s my best work. Guess I’m still stumped.
A lot of people have asked questions regarding the “reloading” of the matrix and what happens to the existing programs and people contained within it.
My understanding was that if Neo went through the door to the source, he would basically “patch” the anomaly that created him and the matrix would go on as if nothing was wrong for another length of time until the same error was reintroduced, thereby creating another “One” and the whole thing starts over.
It’s only if Neo chooses the other door (the door to save Trinity) that the matrix crashes and everyone within it (program and human alike) dies.
Think of it as a memory leak. If Neo does not enter the source and “reclaim” the leaked memory by rejoining the source, the system will crash. If Neo does enter the source, he reclaims the leaked memory and, as “reward” for his sacrifice he gets to take a number of people out of the Matrix (two girls for every boy!) to rebuild Zion.
Hi, been lurking for a while, but I thought I would save some of you the energy of chasing down hexadecimal codes.
The codes on the Matrix website relate to the computer game Enter the Matrix, which was also released today. They have nothing to do with anything in the movie itself. The game has a little mini-hacking-game (game within the game sort of thing) that suggests players periodically check the website for hints if they get stuck. As I understand it, the codes do several things, such as unlock other codes for secret parts of the website that give bits of info about the first Matrix movie, and it also allows players to “hack” into their saved games to make their characters more powerful (ie, cheat).
Just a few random thoughts:
On the Architect and the Oracle: The Oracle, indeed, is the “mother of the matrix” as the architect says.
(grossly paraphrasing)
Archi: If I’m the father of the matrix, you might say she’s the mother.
Neo: The Oracle?
Archi: <scoffs>
He scoffs here not because Neo is wrong, but because Neo calls her “the Oracle” and believes she is trying to help him, when in reality, she has been manipulating him the entire time. It’s a classic supervillain “gotcha” type of scoff.
On Agent Smith in Zion: There is an idea that is common in much cyberpunk literature: A brain neurally interfacing with a computer can be altered and/or damaged by said computer. When Smith infects the Zionite in the matrix, he copies himself into the poor sod’s brain. Thus, when poor sod unplugs from the matrix, he is now Agent Smith’s Brain in a Zionite body. This holds for both Zion-Real and Zion-Matrix theories.
On the Oracle and Neo’s Dreams: This is more of an argument in favor of the Zion-Real theory. Neo has the dreams. These dreams are now stored in Neo’s memory. Neo plugs his entire brain into the matrix. The Oracle can read Neo’s memory and act like she knew he was dreaming all along. Recall that the Architect implies that her original purpose was to study the human psyche to find out exactly why they rejected the perfect reality and also to gain further insight into “human imperfection” so that they could create a more believable matrix. This is why she is considered the “mother” of the matrix – without her insight, they would still be struggling to create a reality that the humans would accept. Thus, delving that far into Neo’s brain is not beyond her scope of abilities. (At any rate, we’ll have to wait for Revolution in November to know for sure whether Zion is real or nested)
On Neo’s Choice: I thought the Architect stated rather clearly that all previous incarnations of the One chose to save humanity and rebuild Zion afterward, otherwise Neo wouldn’t even have existed (ie System Crash, extinction of humans). Neo chose to save Trinity, which is why he tells Morpheus at the end that he didn’t end the war tonight, but if they didn’t do something, it would end in 24 hours anyway (ie Zion destroyed and a system crash).
Anyway, that’s all my sleep-deprived brain cares to chew on for now
Going deeper into machine code… here is the hex in binary:
10100011101100011010010000101000
Split into words:
10100011
10110001
10100100
00101000
I’ve done some pretty funky stuff to these numbers, and can’t figure anything out. Now, it’s REALLY bugging me.
LilShieste
Unbeleivably I fell assleep during pretty much the whole architect scene (actually one of those half-awake, half-asleep states where you are hearing the words but you are not comprehending anything), not because I wasn’t interested but I was just amazingly tired. Was it important?
If we accept that “the real world” is in fact a matrix within a matrix, who knows that truth? The architect, most likely, how about the oracle or the keymaker? That would explain the desire to delete or control their programs.
Is it possible that Morpheus and some other Zion residents have figured this out and they believe that Neo is “the one” that will free humanity from both or all levels of the matrix?
At the very least, Smith knew about the first Matrix, the utopia. He mentions it to Morpheus.
Yes, he clearly does, because he talks about Neo’s predecessors. Actually, something funny just occurred to me. I recall understanding exactly what Merovingian was talking about when he mentioned Neo’s predecessors. But this scene took place well before the Architect scene. Were there some clues that came before the chateau that Neo was not the first One? Or is my temporal memory just haywire?
Is it ok to quote other people’s messages (in their entirety) from other message boards? Just to be safe, I’ll just point you to the thread (don’t read if you don’t want to be spoiled re: hex codes on the Matrix website):
(These are people playing the computer game – the original discussion is about the hacking minigame, but it appears the codes on the website serve a different purpose, after all – or multiple purposes which may or may not involve the hacking minigame)
http://s2.cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=34787&topic=8013391&page=4
Scroll down until you see Dafunksta’s message that quotes the news item from the Matrix website where the hexadecimal code is first revealed. Then read the next two messages, posted by xanths and Chiasm, respectively.
Summary (HEX SPOILER): The hex string doesn’t translate to any words, it is meaningless. However, there are places on the website where you can enter different codes to grab extra goodies, such as a free-download game that lets you build a virtual model of the Nebuchadnezzar, wallpapers, illustrations, storyboard drawings, etc.
Enjoy!
As for Tank, I took it as he died sometime after the first movie. This movie is obviously taking place quite a while after the first one ended, and Tank was doing fine at the end of the first movie.
Well, we knew Neo wasn’t the first in the first movie. Morpheus says there was another man that could see the Matrix for what it was, and that it was he who freed the first people. At that point though, it was assumed Neo was the second.
In Reloaded though, I think the Oracle says something to the effect that Neo isn’t the first when they meet near the bench.
Sure, it is moral. They’re given the choice…to choose between ignorance and a life of bliss, or knowing what really is happening.
As for Zion being real, or just another part of the Matrix, I think it’s real. How did Smith enter the real world then? Easy, when he replicated onto the guy, he took over his mind, which carried over into the real world. Neo stopping the Sentinals? Smith did say that part of him became part of Neo. Oh well, we’ll just wait and see when Revolution comes out.