May is Eat Locally Month. Anyone else participating?

My husband and I try to do this as much as possible anyway, so, I’m in.

And funny timing, we just ate at a restaurant that tries to use exclusively Sonoma County products here in town on Saturday, and it got us in the mood to start hitting the Farmer’s Markets and local farm stands again for our produce. (Well, that and it’s finally not raining.)
I buy local cheese and wine all the time, and I always look for local eggs, honey, bread/tortillas, jams, olive oils and vinegars, condiments, chocolates, nuts, etc. And it should go without saying that we support our local brewpub. :wink:

It really is pretty easy to accomplish this in this area. We live in a veritable paradise.

I signed up on the website.

This is true in downstate Illinois as well, and I imagine in most of the Midwestern United States too. When corn’s in season, grocery stores stock local sweet corn, and nobody buys frozen stuff (unless they have a very good reason). In fact, there’s a huge sweetcorn festival near my hometown, where all they do all weekend is bring in truckloads of (locally grown) sweetcorn, boil hundreds of ears at a time, and just hand them out to the folks who came out to the festival. Good stuff.

I agree with LionelHutz. When given the choice between locally grown and produce which has been picked for a month and shipped hundreds or thousands of miles, I believe most people make the obvious choice. There’s no need for condescention or coercion, when that choice is available. Unfortunately for most of us, that’s not year-round.

It seems like a neat idea, especially if you have kids and want to teach them a bit about farming and commerce at the same time. My BF works at a company that does food import/export, and it’s facinating and sometimes disturbing what all goes on to move food from here to there. There IS kind of a disconnect when you buy food from the grocery store, and it’s good to have a good understand of what you are buying, where it comes from, and why. The bigger a picture we have of our world, the smarter we are able to act in it.

It’s also a good time for people in agriculture rich areas to give thanks. We live in a place that is unprecendented in it’s bounty. Obviously not everyone does. I try never to forget how good we have it here.

At the same time, no dogma in infallable. Farmer’s market’s can be godsends, but they can also be ripoffs. Sometimes it amazes me what the people at the farmer’s market’s try to get away, especially when I can walk down to the Chinese market and buy the same thing for one quarter of the price. They are sometimes preying on yuppie hippy insecurity. You have to shop critically wherever you are.

I think it’s a neat thing to do tiltypig, and I think it will be a good exersize to make you mindful of your eating and it’s impact. But I don’t look down on anyone that doesn’t do this. See? No hard feelings anywhere.

Its kind of silly. You assume that locally grown food uses less energy and pollutes less, but there is no reason for that to be the case. Energy use in transportation is only one part, and I’d imagine for most products a tiny part, of the total energy use. Its possibly, and I imagine its almost a certainty, that an industrial scale farm uses much less energy per unit than a small family owned farmed.

Hell, its even possible that a unit produced 1000 miles away might produce smaller amounts of pollution. Think about the pollution farmer jack’s old 1980s truck produces as he transports down a truck load of corn. Compare that with the pollution produced per unit for a train load of corn shipped from Illinois. I’d wager dollars to donuts that the corn from Illinois has a smaller pollution amount associated with it.

At this point, all eating locally seems to do is reward someone born/raised near you, and punish those born in a foreign country, or in a different part of the country. That makes absolutely no sense, and in fact is absolutely wrong to do.

Well, they’re not completely hidden. I mean, they are reflected in the price, aren’t they? Doesn’t it cost money to fly produce around the world? If it’s using gas, then it must be cosing money.

Actually, I am a bit confused by all this. I don’t really know where the produce in the grocery store comes from. I’ve never asked. If corn (for example) is in season around here, then surely the grocery stores are only stocking local corn, right? I mean it must be cheaper, right? I really do mean all this as a question, because this is only what I assume would be true, but who the heck knows what other forces are at work.

Why can you buy lettuce from Santa Cruz and from Peru on the same shelf in central CA? I would think that the Santa Cruz lettuce would actually cost less for the grocery store. I’m not calling you a liar, of course, I’m just wondering how the economics of this all really works. Any economists in the house?

Oddly enough, I always buy organic milk. Because it tastes better. But it’s from Vermont, and I live in Jersey. Why isn’t there organic Jersey milk on the shelf? Maybe there is, and I don’t know. Maybe all the store brand milk is local (but probably not organic). Maybe there aren’t many dairy farms around here. Maybe ‘The Organic Cow of Vermont’ is well branded. I give up.

Sorry, just rambling a bit. I guess I agree with the idea of the OP…

Production costs may be cheaper (and things like pesticide use and environmental concerns not as regulated) are much cheaper outside of the US and may be cheaper enough to cover transport costs.

Thanks for starting this thread, tiltypig. It has very personal implications for me, since it involves some of the qualities of the Bay Area that I (a) love the most, and (b)cringe the most at.

On the one hand, the diversity of soils and microclimates, together with immigrant populations from all over the world (and the resulting “diversity of palates”) means that we have access to a high-quality food supply within 100 miles of San Francisco that is potentially unmatched even by Provence or Tuscany. The presence here of a large number of wealthy people means that, since there is a market for locally-produced goat cheese, such companies as Laura Chenel can thrive. This is a win-win situation for all those who can afford to make the Bay Area their home. The comparative “ease of living” also encourages experimentation in a way that doesn’t exist to the same extent in many other parts of the world, and the mild overall mild climate doesn’t hurt this at all.

On the other hand, the abundance here can lead to let-them-eat-cakeism, and that’s a disease endemic in these parts. Don’t get me wrong: I’m a foodie, and I live a car-free lifestyle (walk and public transit everywhere). I make weekly trips to the local farmers’ market (although I can usually find better produce for cheaper in Indian-run and Iranian-run grocery stores in my neighborhood). However, the vast majority of people in the US are not in a position to live the “Berkeley lifestyle”. There are still things that they can do (drive more fuel-efficient cars, combine trips, etc), but in terms of “buying more local food”, I don’ t think that that **is ** a huge deal, especially once one looks at a lower level than the finished product.

I actually think that the “shipping cost” argument is something of a red herring. Whether I make my own bread (which I do), or buy it from a local bakery, the wheat doesn’t come from “Amber Waves of Grain” in the Berkeley Flats – it comes from the prairie states and provinces. I make my own beer, but the barley doesn’t come from the greater Bay Area. In addition, the water that I use in all of my food preparation, and which is the greatest single ingredient by weight, comes from Hetch Hetchy, which is much more than 100 miles from San Francisco. [Admittedly, it’s gravity rather than gasoline that gets it to the Bay Area, but there is also a major environmental cost.]

I’m a great supporter of buying locally-produced foodstuffs because it’s good for the community. On a fiscally-selfish level, it means more money floating around to be spent locally rather than going back to some large company’s HQ in a place that I care less about. It often means that decisions about quality and taste are made by people with the same ideas as me (so, the beer that I do buy tends to come from places such as the Anchor Brewery, with whom I have a philosphical match).

There is, AFAIK, no from-the-ground production of coffee and tea in the Bay Area. I personally am not prepared to give them up, and don’t really see why I should have to.

I’m all in favor of getting people to think about the food supply chain, and if the planned scope of Locavores is just the Bay Area (which, judging from the web site, seems largely to be the case), then I can see some point in it. Any attempt to take it to other regions smacks to me of elitism. There are very few regions in the modern world in which it is possible, and even fewer in which it makes economic sense short of a major catastrophe (e.g. if push came to shove I’d that we could grow some wheat in the Bay Area, given our climatic diversity, but what’s the point? The Midwest does it better and more cheaply).

To be entirely consistent, shouldn’t people be buying food only from farmers who farm locally? I mean, if it takes 2lb of fertilizer, or whatver to produce 1 lb of apples and that fertilizer was shipped from Chile, then it would make more sense to grow the apples in Chile and ship them over. Can you really be sure that eating locally is the true ecologically benificial thing to do?

This is the part I don’t really understand. I occasionally shop at the farmers markets in Little Rock and the smaller once we have out in the rural areas but I don’t see how that makes someone more connected to the food they buy. How does someone buying from a farmer’s market suddenly become more connected and have a bigger picture of the world?

Marc

Athena and I are in the same boat of weather related suckiness.

Michigan has plenty of downfalls, but one of the perks is our summers ( when they happen) are gorgeous. (And we are probably free of a terrorist attack because of our multilevel of suckitude in this state.) If this dealie was done in Mid August to mid september, it would be awesomely easily and tasty.

I could eat dandelions and make dandelion tea. My neighbors lawn is the comstock lode of the yellow flowers.

Wendigo. Ojibway name for a demonic force thought to possess hungry, malnourished people when cooped up for long winter months with little to eat but each other.

*What if you were starving
and the only food you had was me?
What would you say to the cannibal question,
would your answer be totally free?

Your mama always told you never
to eat your friends with your fingers and hands.
I say you ought to eat what you will,
shove it in your mouth any way that you can.*

—Grace Slick

“Wendigo is said to consume moss and other unpalatable food when human flesh is unavailable.”

—Wikipedia

“I smell… <grunt> Man flesh!”

—an Orc in The Lord of the Rings: The Movie

Not really. We’re not a farming area; sure, there are little farms here and there that produce things, but a lot of our local farmer’s market produce is driven up from Wisconsin. You ever been to the UP? It’s miles and miles and miles of forests and lakes. Very little of it is farmed.

From an economic standpoint, our big crop is lumber. Our secondary “crop” is ore from the mines. The area is better suited for those than for farms, so even though it may be theoretically possible to operate, say, a lettuce farm, few people do.

Let’s see, what have I seen here in August at the Farmer’s market that’s grown locally? Maybe some lettuce. Herbs, definitely. Maybe green beans. I don’t think sweet corn is grown in the UP, but we get it trucked in. The really good farmer’s market is the guy who drives a truck up from Wisconsin once a week and sets up in a parking lot here in town. I’m sure he comes more than 100 miles, so even he is not local.

Nice post Antonius Block. There is a “let them eat cake” attitude that comes out of movements like this.

True, but the price you pay still doesn’t include the environmental cost.

To the OP. I’d like to be in, but how do you even start if you live in L.A.? All our former farms are now housing tracts and parking lots.

Well, they arn’t unadulturated good or anything. I usually miss mine because it so often seems like a chance to squeeze the yuppies.

But there is something to be said about meeting the guy that grows your food. It’s nice to see how food changes over the seasons, and how even one particular fruit vegetable changes as it’s season goes on. You can learn a lot from the vendors about how the weather affects food- they’ll say “well that rain a few weeks ago really messed up the cherries”. And it’s fun to try new varieties, and to learn stuff like that there are actually hundreds of bananas, not just one kind.

A lot of this is hidden from us. French fry manufactures hoard their potatoes throughout the season and mix them all together so that the flavor is even. We don’t really have a feel for the seasons or the weather and how it plays in to our lives. When I was in India, I was shocked to be served fruit that was wild and full of seeds and more wonderfully tasty than anything I’d ever had. It’s just too easy to forget that food doesn’t come in plastic wrapping from the supermarket.

I also think everyone should visit a butcher, and have a good idea of what part of the corw they are eating.

I’m really absurdly in to food. And I think eating is a sacred act- it literally sustains our lives. I don’t think we should entirely divorce it from the dirt and sun and rain that our ancestores relied on for generations.

I have also declared May to be ‘Give CandidGamera a Dollar’ month. Just so you know.

Hail to the Truck Farmer!

Antonius Block, you have some good points. I think there is a “let them eat cake” kind of attitude that comes out of movements like this and I may be guilty of it myself. However, I at least try to understand that this is not going to work for everyone, only those of a certain geographical location and with a certain amount of disposable income.

This may just throw fuel on the fire, but hell, why not–I should mention that I’m also a vegetarian. I was a die-hard carnivore for most of my life, up until a year or two ago, when I came to this line of thinking: No, I don’t think it’s totally wrong to kill other animals and eat them, and I don’t think our bodies weren’t built to process meat (as some vegetarians claim). I think we were built to be omnivores, and it’s part of the natural order for us to eat meat. However, since *I am privileged *and I do have the choice of eating a vegetarian diet, it would be better for me to do so, for a number of reasons. Although I don’t feel that it’s morally absolutely wrong to kill animals to eat them, I feel like given the choice between shooting a pig in the head so I can have some bacon and eating some tofu bacon instead, I’d probably rather eat the tofu bacon than kill the animal. If I were starving, or if I couldn’t afford to buy Boca Burgers or whatever, then sure, I would have absolutely no problem with eating the bacon. (Also, factory farms are really screwed up from both the animal welfare and environmental points of view, and I’d like to try not to support them–and my cholesterol level might go through the roof if I were eating lots of meat again.) For all these reasons, and because I am *privileged *and I have the choice, I choose not to eat meat. I understand that everyone’s situation is different. You may have anemia, or may not have access to enough non-meat foods to make a balanced diet, or you may not be able to afford the meat alternatives you would want or need, or you may just really, really love bacon and really, really hate tofu. So I try not to force this choice on others, but I have made the choice myself because I am in a position to do so.

I feel the same way about eating locally. I am trying not to make this a “let them eat cake” situation. I don’t expect a single mother of three to spend her whole paycheck buying organic, locally grown kale and slow-cooking it every evening after coming home from her second job. But I have the privilege of being able to make the choice to do this, so I want to do it! I make enough money to shop at the yuppie farmer’s market. I have enough time to cook all the time. I live in an area that has a farmer’s market year-round, and a wonderful bounty of local foods. I am incredibly lucky to be in a position to make the choice to eat locally this month, and to have the spare $14.95 a year and free time to spend writing about my choice on some Internet message board.

treis–maybe you’re right about the particular example you cite. But which do you think pollutes more, 20 trucks bringing produce from 60 miles away, or 20 airplanes bringing produce from 2000 miles away? Now which do you think is the more typical scenario, in general? From looking at the stickers on my local grocery store shelf, I’d say it’s the latter. Also, at the risk of sounding like a let-them-eat-caker, if everyone ate locally then the guy who lives 2000 miles away wouldn’t be penalized by my choosing local products, since the guy who lives 10 miles away from him might be choosing his local products instead. This makes more sense in California than anywhere else, I guess–I have a big can of imported Greek olive oil in my cabinet when there are Californian olive oil producers just miles away from me, and maybe Greek people are paying big bucks to have Californian olive oil imported. Same with, say, Napa wines versus New Zealand wines. I’m not such a wine conoisseur that I would miss the NZ wine if someone swapped in a bottle of Napa red. Yet if I’m not consciously thinking about it, I’ll happily buy a bottle of NZ wine while someone from New Zealand is probably doing the same with a bottle of Napa wine.

Also, re: Amber Waves of Californian Grain. I am not actually buying any bread this month from local bakeries because I am aware that the wheat is not grown locally. Full Belly Farms apparently grows and mills a small amount of their own wheat, but this month we’re probably going to rely on potatoes, sweet potatoes, and possibly rice for our starches.

I don’t know what, if anything, I can do about getting water from Hetch Hetchy.

Spectre of Pithecanthropus, here is a good place to start. And here’s an article someone wrote about trying to eat locally in LA. Good luck, let me know how it goes!

**Shalmanese, **sure, the 2 lbs of fertilizer thing is possible. Want to find a cite for it actually being the case? Until I have evidence otherwise, I’ll assume that it makes more sense environmentally to eat locally grown foods, and that the organic farmer in Sonoma is not actually flying planeloads of compost in from Chile.

Jamaika a jamaikaiaké, my guess is that it may cost $5 an hour to pay people in California to pick lettuce, but 5 cents an hour to pay people in Peru to pick lettuce, which may make up for the increased fuel costs of flying the produce from Peru to California.

For all those who are interested in the actual food aspect of my experiment, for dinner yesterday, we had roasted red potatoes, steamed broccoli and carrots, stir-fried pea sprouts with garlic, and scrambled eggs with onions. Today I had roasted Yukon Gold potatoes for breakfast, and for lunch, a salad of with romaine lettuce, Pink Lady apples, hard-boiled egg, and lemon-shallot-oregano-olive oil dressing. Of these three meals, only the oil and salt were not local. So far, so good, says the lucky Californian.

I have to admit that before I opened this thread my vision of “eat locally” was to patronize only restaurants and fast food places near one’s home.

It’s too late for me to join. I had a French Dip for lunch :wink:

I used to do just that. And what do you know, now I’m vegetarian.

Right on! I bet you would like Earth Activist Training (EAT).

I hope I didn’t come across as too snarky, tiltypig, with my “let them eat cake” comment. There’s a long continuum between the “Food is just fuel, not something to be enjoyed” person at one end and the excessively smug Food Nazi at the other. I suspect that you and I are actually not far apart on this scale; certainly within waving distance [hi, tiltypig!]. Your recipes sound absoulutely wonderful. Aren’t we lucky to live in an area where such an experiment is even possible? As other Dopers have confirmed upthread, there would be slim pickings this time of year in many places that are far from being deserts or tundra.

Since moving to the SF Bay Area, I’ve cut way back on meat consumption: the overwhelming variety of produce available here, together with the great seafood, make it easy not to miss having meat almost every day. The great vegetarian threads on the SDMB have really helped here, so thanks, VeggieDopers!

I think the OP may be overemphasizing the fuel consumption issue somewhat. AFAIK, very few foodstuffs travel by air (the exceptions generally being things that aren’t available in any form locally, and end up being very expensive). Ocean travel is actually quite fuel-efficient, which is why places such as Trader Joes (which is where I buy almost all of my non-local food) can keep their prices so low. It almost certainly takes more fuel per pound of food to get it from the Port of Oakland (or Long Beach) to my Trader Joe’s than for the entire sea voyage from Europe. So, since TJ’s Extra Virgin Olive Oil from Italy is considerably cheaper than Napa Valley olive oil, I don’t feel too guilty about buying the former. Actually, since I take the bus to and from my Trader Joe’s rather than driving a car, it probably takes less fuel to get the olive oil from Italy to my house than would be the case for most Bay Area suburbanites buying Napa olive oil, even if they’re not driving an SUV!

I’ve just re-read your posts, tiltypig, and now my mouth is watering. You make it all sound so good – I guess it’s time for me to get up and make dinner!