The Organic Food Fanatic

Lately, I have been working part time in a candy store. We also sell nuts, dried fruit, and snack mixes, as well as bulk items for home bakers. Anyhow, yesterday this guy comes in, and the ensuing interaction was, to me, both funny and irritating.

Gentleman comes in, earnestly asking about our raw nuts. I assure them that they are unadulterated raw nuts, nothing added, only the shells removed (and not even that for our pistachios). He proceeds to buy several pounds of various raw nuts, extolling the virtues and cancer-fighting properties of same. I nod in agreement, also confirming that good, fresh food is good for you. He then starts a spiel about organic foods.

Now, don’t get me wrong here. I have nothing inherently against organics - in fact, my backyard garden is entirely such. However, there are times when “organic” is used as a marketing tool, and there are other instances where processing or non “pure organic” is adequate to just as good.

So, he’s going on about how evil sugar is (and he’s standing in a CANDY STORE!) and how if one must use it, to use only “sugar in the raw”, yadda yadda yadda… :rolleyes: Then is on to eat low on the food chain (a good general rule, but not a hard and fast one in my book) and ONLY free-range, organic meat. Now, he’s a customer (even if I think he’s a loon) and you don’t disagree with the customers. I’m there to sell him whatever food items we have that he wants. That’s it. And, oh yes, smile. Smile lots. Anyhow…

He then starts asking me where I buy all my organic, free-range, etc. food. I tell him it’s a bit hard on my budget, there’s not much around locally. He says “Oh, but go to Trader Joe’s!” I ask him where the nearest one is. He says Orland Park. That would be an almost 70 mile round trip for groceries (let’s not ever consider how to keep cold foods cold over that distance in sweltering summer weather, right?) That’s at least 8 bucks of gas just to get there! $16 if I take the truck to stock up on things. I told him that between the cost of getting out there, and the cost of such free-range whatever, that it was honestly out of my budget to eat in that manner.

He was… shocked. Aghast. But healthy eating is so IMPORTANT! How could I NOT do it, wasn’t there some way to squeeze it out of the budget? No, you stupid, Yuppie idiot, I am poor, I do not have the money for that. $8 is sufficient to purchase enough flour to make a couple weeks worth of bread for me, so sorry it’s not organic and hand-picked by virgins during a new moon. I’ll go for the 100% whole wheat, unbleached flour but, frankly, traveling 70 miles to Trader Joe’s is just not reasonable when I can can that 100% whole wheat, unbleached flour within 5 miles of home.

He was still aghast.

I said, look, to be honest, right now I’m trying to support a family on less than $20,000 a year.

“But, but - you have a job!”

Yes, yes I do. It is, however, only part time. So pleased to meet you, I am the face of the working poor. Having a job does not automatically make one middle class.

So, I found it funny that he was sooooooo concerned about eating right, yet so disbelieving that yes, there really are people who just can’t afford to eat the way he thinks everyone should.

Personally (and no, I did not tell him that) I think you can eat extremely well without having to go to certified organic everything. That 100% whole wheat, unbleached flour I’m speaking of is minimally processed and may be just as healthy as anything in the “purely organic” aisle wherever he shops - and it costs less. Really, “organic” as a label can be and has been used as an excuse to jack up costs (yes, I’m aware that organic produce can be more expensive to produce, but that’s not what I’m talking about). And really, if he is so concerned about the healthiness of fruits and vegetables why didn’t he suggest gardening, which is the only circumstance where you can really be sure of what you’re getting, and of having some control over it?

But gardening would take time! And effort!

I personally have thought about marketing bags of inorganic food. Gravel, sand, mica for making sandwiches. Mud for toast spread.

People who talk endlessly about the utter transcendence of organic everything bug the hell out of me.

No matter what his pet topic, this man was rude. He doubtlessly thought he was educating you, but when someone tells you they can’t afford something, you should believe them.

I agree. If I can’t afford something, it’s because my budget absolutely cannot allow me to spend money on it; we also live on a lower income in our household, and some people just seem amazed at what we don’t have and what we do. One can afford to live decently on a smaller amount, but there are always sacrifices in order to make it work. For instance, we live out in a segment of Central Florida that’s closer to the rural areas, but is within an hour’s drive of most of Orlando; because of this, we can live in a three bedroom house for less than it’d cost us to rent a two bedroom apartment in a crappy part of Orlando. Gas out here is a little cheaper as well, because we don’t have as many tourists running through our neighborhood.

I don’t buy vegetables in the stores that much anymore, as we’ve been gardening for the past few months and have been living off of the products we’ve been growing; we generally only grow the stuff that gets expensive in the stores or is harder to get. I’m sure this guy would have been absolutely baffled that I grow my own food without chemical intervention, and would be even more astonished to find out that I don’t buy organic produce when we do buy produce; we just try to get things that are grown locally when we can if there’s a choice. (Example: We bought blueberries yesterday that are grown Winter Haven, which is a fairly short drive from us, and didn’t buy the strawberries grown in California, even though they were also part of the 2/$5 deal at Publix.) I also like to make my own bread, and we take advantage of a lot of the BOGO deals on dry goods staples when we see them. We ended up paying $20 less yesterday at the grocery store than we would have if nothing was on sale, and only part of that was paying attention to the “cost per ounce” labels available; the rest was just sale prices.

Even though I do all of this, I only encourage my habits in people who are interested in doing something similar and have the means to do so. When it comes up, I mention it pretty neutrally as something that we do, and only engage in further conversation about it if the person I’m talking to actively wants to know more. It’s really not polite to try to indoctrinate people, especially if they’re at work and are being paid to be nice and sell you things.

Now, Broomstick, you say you work in a candy store, and have fresh veggies and bread about your household? Y’know, all that organic type stuff fetches a high price on the black market. Wouldn’t you like to have someone to guard it all and keep it safe while you’re not watching?

Certainly,

My husband is at home, sitting in the back yard next to the turnips and beans with a loaded crossbow across his knees. Irritate him at your own risk. :smiley:

I wondered how you had dealt with the feral cat problem!

What you got here is someone whose mind is so wide open to the alternatives that his brain fell out, plop, on the ground.

Michael Pollan, in his book The Omnivore’s Dilemma (you have to read some of it with a grain of salt) talks about some of the myths of organic food: no hard and fast standards that qualifies food as organic vs. non-organic; organic produce that is harvested and packaged in the same place and with the same methods as non-organic produce; organic food is marketed and priced to reflect its nutritional and health value, putting out of reach of the people who need it the most (i.e. the poor and low-income families). Your customer sounds like he’s not only a victim of an open mind, but of the marketing that has us convinced that food from agribusiness suppliers is evil, supports N. Korea and will put you in the grave within a year.

Vlad/Igor

You may be poor right now, but at least you’re not stupid. Being able to weigh choices and benefits and costs will serve you well.

I know a few of these. Distant cousins of Trustafarians and Theoretical Humanitarians. Am still trying to think up a good name for people who buy natural cleaning products for their maids and $12 apples… Selfitarians? Naw. Any ideas?

Why would natural cleaning products for the maid be bad? Better for the environment, better for the maid, and provides employment for someone for a job they don’t want to do. Now, if I live in the little “why don’t you just have your maid use Seventh Gen dishwasher detergent” bubble when talking to the candy store employee, I deserve derision.

ADDED SALT !!!

(shudders)

It’s more the obliviousness to the increased need for elbow grease when you hand the cleaning lady vinegar to clean the tub (but agree that it is better for the cleaning person’s health) or insisting the nanny only use, and clean, cloth diapers.

I read the thread title for a split second as “The Orgasmic Food Fanatic.” Raw nuts that caused orgasms would be highly prized I imagine.

Let me add my voice to the chorus of people who aren’t planning to double their grocery bills to buy organic. The food police in Canada (and the US) are very good at their jobs; we have very safe food here, without it needing to be organic. I’m just worried that too many people will buy into the organic myth and I won’t have a choice any longer - the food will be twice as expensive, and it will be the only stuff available at Safeway.

And the guy was a pushy dick. Being a customer service person shouldn’t include explaining yourself to strangers. As for the natural, more difficult cleaning products for the cleaning lady, I read a saying in a book once that seems appropriate; “My whim is your work.”

Meh. He was a dick. Certain things I look to buy organic, but it’s not like I’m hung up about it. My budget wouldn’t allow it. I mean, I’d love to get the organic chicken at the closest grocery store (which is very upscale – you have to go to the next town to get NON-organic chicken!) but at something like $8 for a single package when I can get the regular thing for half that down the road and have a tight budget…yeah, I’ll go to the other store for the chicken.

As far as produce goes, the local farmer’s market just started up for the summer last week. I know where I’ll be getting produce for the summer! And if it’s organic, fine, but more importantly, it’s fresh and local.

Good Dr. Bronnor, Cat Fight.

“Idiots”

At least in regards to the $12 apples

TELL me about it!

On the bright side - tonight’s stew will be especially yummy, containing our very own home-grown turnips!

Great idea!

Me, too.

Indeed, I expect this poverty will be temporary (even though I also suspect it will be a year or so before I’m really back to where I want to be). My customer, on the other hand, will probably continue to be a whacko…

Unfortunately, when last week’s local farmer market was going on I was at work. :frowning: But, like I said, I’m starting to get my own stuff out of my own garden.

When I was a nanny (back when the earth cooled), I was interviewed by a family with a commitment to saving the world through cloth diapers. I refused to work for them. Their commitment to environmentalism might include making the nanny wash shitty nappies, but unfortunately for them this nanny’s commitment did not extend quite so far.

Zealots of all types are a pain in the ass.