We may be a nation of whiners, but at least we’re not bitter.
Right?
[QUOTE=Bricker]
Wow. I don’t know if we’re actually a nation of whiners, but this particular complaint sounds perilously close to whining. “Waahh! My guy is so obviously great and not enough people agree with me!!”
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I suppose it’s a topic for another thread but I do think there’s a valid question to why Gallup is consistantly several points closer than than the other daily tracker (Rasmussen) and the majority of the multi-day polls. I don’t think the answer is “making shit up” but there does seem to be a difference in methodology which sets Gallup consistantly closer in margin.
Just to prove me wrong, Gallup & Rasmussen are tied today but that hasn’t been the case for a good while and Gallup is nearly always the low one.
And Pew shows an 8 point difference.
Anyway, this one might not be easy for McCain to shake off with a joke about sending Gramm to Chernobyl since McCain has said himself that some of of his proposals would have mostly a psychological impact.
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We may be a nation of whiners, but at least we’re not bitter.
Right?
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What do you say, Liberal? Are blue-collar workers bitter?
Clingy, not bitter.
Regards,
Shodan
[QUOTE=Bricker]
If you truly mean to offer this question as a topic for debate, then let’s have at it. How can McCain, who according to you is heading a Keystone Cop organization, be polling so close to the near-deific Obama?
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Nonsense. The Dope has it as a landslide in the making for Obama.
[QUOTE=Liberal]
And Pew shows an 8 point difference.
Anyway, this one might not be easy for McCain to shake off with a joke about sending Gramm to Chernobyl since McCain has said himself that some of of his proposals would have mostly a psychological impact.
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I think any economist will tell you that psychology is an important part of the economy and the market. The housing bubble was caused in large part by people being overly optimistic about how high and for how long real estate could appreciate. That’s (bad) psychology.
I’m not sure if you’re disagreeing with Gramm or pointing out a political mistake he may have made. Can you clarify that?
[QUOTE=Shodan]
Clingy, not bitter.
Regards,
Shodan
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First comes the bitterness, then the clinging. Next thing you know they’re whining.
[QUOTE=Jackmannii]
Nonsense. The Dope has it as a landslide in the making for Obama.
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Yeah! Just like we did for Kerry!
Honestly, one thing that makes me hopeful for Obama winning is not so much some of the posters here that are supporting him when they didn’t Kerry, but the posters who are decidedly ambivalent about McCain. shrug We’ll see. Still way too early.
[QUOTE=Renob]
Over 90% of people who have mortgages have no trouble paying them…
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Some other good news, only .001% of Americans have been killed by terrorists in the last ten years.
[QUOTE=John Mace]
I think any economist will tell you that psychology is an important part of the economy and the market. The housing bubble was caused in large part by people being overly optimistic about how high and for how long real estate could appreciate. That’s (bad) psychology.
I’m not sure if you’re disagreeing with Gramm or pointing out a political mistake he may have made. Can you clarify that?
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Far be it from me to become embroilled in the spell casting rituals of macroeconomists. I suppose there could be a theory somewhere that will posit a booming economy which we all are pissing away with our lousy morale. At any rate, McCain disagreed with him, saying that the man in Michigan who lost his job is not in a mental recession and that the woman who needs money to educate her child is not whining. I’ll just leave the student and the teacher to fight that out.
Gramm didn’t say the economy was booming. He said we weren’t in a recession, and he’s right.
[QUOTE=John Mace]
Gramm didn’t say the economy was booming. He said we weren’t in a recession, and he’s right.
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Is it right that we’ve become sort of a nation of whiners?
Is this right?
[QUOTE=Frank]
Is it right that we’ve become sort of a nation of whiners?
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No, it’s not right. We’ve been a nation of whiners for quite some time.
Hard to say. I’d need him to flesh out his argument a bit more. But the last part is, I believe, correct. We have benefited from globalization, even though lots of people think the opposite. I believe that is the mainstream economic consensus.
[QUOTE=Renob]
I’m not really sure how Gramm can be faulted here. There is no evidence that the economy is close to being as bad as many people think. Economic growth has been slower than in the past, sure, but so far we aren’t in a recession.
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There are multiple meanings of “recession” - granted, two quarters of negative GDP growth is the most popular one - and even more ways to determine whether or not the economy is “bad.”
You can tell from McCain’s response that he knows this is going to hurt. The economy is the number one issue right now, and Gramm has just begged the Democrats to paint him as out of touch and not ready to help voters.
[QUOTE=John Mace]
I believe that is the mainstream economic consensus.
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The same mainstream economic consensus that says “perception” is the problem, and not skyrocketing costs?
Vote for me! I promise a therapist at every gas pump!
[QUOTE=Frank]
The same mainstream economic consensus that says “perception” is the problem, and not skyrocketing costs?
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“What are you whining about a bad economy for? The CEOs are doing GREAT!”
[QUOTE=Frank]
The same mainstream economic consensus that says “perception” is the problem, and not skyrocketing costs?
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I have no idea where you got that from.
[QUOTE=John Mace]
I have no idea where you got that from.
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You want me to take the quote marks off “perception”, and put them around “psychology” instead? Or possibly “overly optomistic”? Give it a fucking break; if reality does not align with your figures, which is wrong?
[QUOTE=Frank]
You want me to take the quote marks off “perception”, and put them around “psychology” instead? Or possibly “overly optomistic”? Give it a fucking break; if reality does not align with your figures, which is wrong?
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I’m even more confused now. I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about.