McCain advisor to Americans: stop whining just because you lost your house and shit

When McCain said he needed more learnin’ before he could talk about the economy, he chose Phil Gramm — author of the Enron Loophole that allows energy traders to speculate without regulation, hoard commodities, and pay margins as low as 5% to seal deals — to be his teacher. In a Washington Times interview, Gramm shared one of his lessons: the economy just ain’t that bad, and we’re a nation of whiners.

“You’ve heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession,” [Gramm] said, noting that growth has held up at about 1 percent despite all the publicity over losing jobs to India, China, illegal immigration, housing and credit problems and record oil prices. “We may have a recession; we haven’t had one yet.”

“We have sort of become a nation of whiners,” he said. “You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline” despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy, he said.

“We’ve never been more dominant; we’ve never had more natural advantages than we have today,” he said. “We have benefited greatly” from the globalization of the economy in the last 30 years.

Mr. Gramm said the constant drubbing of the media on the economy’s problems is one reason people have lost confidence. Various surveys show that consumer confidence has fallen precipitously this year to the lowest levels in two to three decades, with most analysts attributing that to record high gasoline prices over $4 a gallon and big drops in the value of homes, which are consumers’ biggest assets.

“Misery sells newspapers,” Mr. Gramm said. "Thank God the economy is not as bad as you read in the newspaper every day."Naturally, this has pulled every McCain surrogate out of the woodwork to do damage control, the key talking point being that Gramm is speaking for himself. It’s the same thing they said about Charlie Black, another McCain advisor, when he mused that an attack on America would be a good thing for McCain.

It’s been a busy day for his spokes-apologists, so McCain decided to handle the remarks of another key advisor, Carly Fioriana, who’s in charge of gathering Hillary women into the fold, and who yesterday lamented the unfairness of insurance covering viagra but not birth control. See how McCain masterfully handles a reporter’s question about it with facial contortions, long pauses, and a plea that he be given time for more learnin’.

Of all the things to debate about this, one that occurs to me is whether Gallup is just making shit up. How is it possible that this Keystone Cop campaign is polling so close in daily tracking to the best run campaign in modern history, headed by the most charismatic candidate since John Kennedy?

At any rate, I’m eager to see how McCain supporters here, who don’t get the talking points memos, defend this latest affront to voters. Is it really every man for himself in the McCain campaign, with no one speaking on behalf of the candidate, other than the candidate himself, who often cannot speak? How is his candidacy not summarily and universally dismissed as just one big, bad joke?

I have no plans to vote for McCain, but how is this guy wrong? $4 gas and the terrible housing market does bite the big one, but “The Economy” as a whole is not as bad as the news has been making it sound.

McCain’s got Carly Fiorina on board? The ex-CEO of HP who got canned by the board? That’s hilarious.

Now wait a second.

The board canned her in large measure because she authored the acquisition of Compaq, and it looked like the deal was going to go terribly south.

Now that the Compaq merger has done so well for HP, her leadership there seem to be more than a little vindicated.

I’ve seen several polls that back this up: Biden Job Approvals and The National Economy

75% of Americans thing the economy is Bad, Very Bad, or Terrible, yet over 50% rate their household financial status as Excellent, Very Good, or Good. In other words, they think its bad for everybody else. Why would they think that?

Wow. I don’t know if we’re actually a nation of whiners, but this particular complaint sounds perilously close to whining. “Waahh! My guy is so obviously great and not enough people agree with me!!”

If you truly mean to offer this question as a topic for debate, then let’s have at it. How can McCain, who according to you is heading a Keystone Cop organization, be polling so close to the near-deific Obama?

Perhaps it’s because many people in the country simply favor McCain’s policy choices more than they favor Obama’s. I’d certainly say that’s more likely an explanation than “Gallup is making shit up.”

I think Graham is mostly right. He’s one of the closest things we’ve got to a “classic liberal” btw, and has a PhD in economics. It might not have been politically the smartest thing to say, but I don’t see it as being all that bad either.

As for why the polling doesn’t match your expectations, I guess the only thing I can say is that when reality doesn’t match up with your premises, you should check your premises.

Please knock this off, it’s really unbecoming.

Yes. Please stop slandering him by using the ‘near-’ adjective.

I’m not really sure how Gramm can be faulted here. There is no evidence that the economy is close to being as bad as many people think. Economic growth has been slower than in the past, sure, but so far we aren’t in a recession. Over 90% of people who have mortgages have no trouble paying them, and arguably a large percentage of those who do have trouble bear the lion’s share of the responsibility for taking out shady loans. Unemployment isn’t all that high, either. It’s unfortunate that McCain isn’t being the “straigh talking” politicians he portrays himself as and actually tells the truth on this issue. Instead, he’s throwing Gramm overboard.

MCCain advisor told American’s to stop whining and take a dump?? Hm…well, doesn’t sound like much of a plan to me, though I suppose a good BM in the morning can help (especially when you get to McCain’s age)…

-XT

Only ten percent are in trouble? Well, that’s certainly a big relief, for a second there, I thought we were talking about some serious money! Whew! And its those dumb-ass borrowers who are responsible. Even better, since once we know who to blame, the problem dissolves, poof!

Fannie Mae? Freddie Mac? Bear Stearns? Countrywide? They all just need a nice chat with Dr. Phil. Not the charlatan blow-hard Dr. Phil. The other Dr. Phil.

The guy has a point about things not being so bad and it’s refreshing to hear honest opinions instead of content-free feel-good crap but trivializing gas prices is stupid, saying that america is not getting less competitive is stupid and saying that people are whiners is stupid.

Gas prices are hurting commuters who have to live further away from downtown because rent is cheaper and other people who drive a lot for one reason or another. It’s a big freaking deal.

The U.S is getting less competitive. Anyone with a clue can take a look at the state of broadband and stem cell research and weep at our slow descent into mediocrity. Don’t get me started on the education. I’ve been through 4 different public educational systems (Moroccan, French, Spanish and American) and I know this for a fact.

I also know from personal experience that hard working people have to take 2 or 3 part time jobs with no benefits and work 50-60 hours a week to make ends meet instead of 35-40 hours like they do in Europe. Just because the american worker can be pushed harder doesn’t mean everything is hunky dory.

Rising exports and growing tourism to the U.S thanks to the weak dollar help balance things a bit but I’d rather go spend strong dollars in France and import stuff from China.

Well, those 10% are going to be solid Democrats anyway, why should McCain cater to them. :stuck_out_tongue:

I see you are getting the hang of things around here.

:smiley:

Regards,
Shodan

Meanwhile, bus, meet Gramm…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080710/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_gramm

**McCain breaks with adviser over ‘whiners’ remark **

Good ol’ Phil Gramm, he has the Texan’s legendary capacity to endear oneself…

I guess I’m not clear on why we should think that the economy is so good.

Gas and diesel have gone up by by over 33% in the last year or so; everything transported by car or truck or train or plane is following suit (Inflation measurements exempt food! What a joke.); electricity, natural gas, coal, and propane are rising (Inflation measurements exempt energy! What a joke.); credit is crunching; incomes are stagnant.

Yet it is our perceptions that are wrong? The perceptions that we gain when we pay for our groceries; fill up our car; write the check for our electric bill?

Pshaw.

No, that’s not what he said. He said it wasn’t near as bad as the news makes it out to be.

So, he thinks the economy is sluggish, which I think is pretty accurate description. Not terrible, certainly not great-- an economy with slow growth.

McCain also said (and I’m not kidding) that if Gramm were to play a role now in his administration, it would be as Ambassador to Belarus, adding that the good people of Minsk might not like it, however. Thing is, Gramm dropped this big ol’ turd right as his man was campaigning in Michigan to a Town Hall chock full of whiners and mental recessionists — and, unfortunately, lots of reporters with BlackBerrys.

No, no, no! That’s just McCain being McCain, you know, the gruffly humorous guy who’s unafraid to make the impolitic joke. He’s a maverick, you know. Never mind that Lazy W brand, he’s a maverick!