McCain Goes Over-the-Top (GI Bill)

Obama criticized John McCain for his no-show on the GI Bill yesterday. Here are his comments:

A fair, respectful criticism in my opinion. Now McCain would respond, as can be expected, in equally diplomatic and fair rhetorical style, right? Wrong:

This bill passed with 75 votes from the Senate, by the way.

My issue though is not with whether or not this bill is a good idea or not. It is with the temperment and demeanor with which McCain responded. It is patualtn, out ofd proportion and stupid. It is not the reaction one would expect from a President-to-be. the irony is staggering, as McCain’s rant is arguing that he has the better judgement to be President, yet the out-of-proprtion rant, almost incomprehensible in it’s vitriol, shows me someone who does not have the temperament to be President.

I agree. I think it is unfortunate he chose to bracket what could be described as a reasonable argument with personal shots at Obama. I wish he could have extended the same courtesy to Obama that he was given.

I thought this was interesting too.

So I guess there will be no discussions whatsoever about any military issues in the Presidential debates?

Perhaps McCain had another of his ‘slip ups’ here, and was really talking about president Bush?
That shoe is a much better fit.

Please clarify what you meant to say in the last sentence quoted. I don’t think you meant “patualtn.”

This isn’t the first time Obama and McCain had clashed, and it seems that McCain felt here that Obama was impugning his commitment to the millitary, which is what Obama did sort of suggest in his statement.

Yikes! I think I meant to type petulant, but even I am not sure.

Yikes again!

Oh, it’s incredibly patuialtn. It’s the most patualtn statement I’ve read in a long while.

I don’t really see it as that big a deal. Military service and matters is one of the areas where Mccain destroys Obama in credibility. Gettings into that arena for Obama is just throwing McCain a nice juicy Gopherball which he will hammer everytime. Hopefully Obama will learn the lesson of expediancy and not try to start that fight again.

If McCain was stupid enough to start talking about the projects of Chicago then Obama would(and should) respond with the same tone of righteous outrage.

Not if Obama is smart.

Obama made a seriously cheap attack, there. We blame Republicans for questioning people’s patriotism and loyalty whenever it suits their agenda, but Obama did the exact same thing there by questioning McCain’s support of veterans. I’d be extremely pissed too, if I were McCain. I’d say he won that little exchange, and hopefully Obama will learn to knock it off with the “you’re not patriotic enough” nonsense.

I haven’t seen too much of this from Obama, which is a good sign. Hopefully he got scalded enough to get the message that comments like that are off limits.

I disagree. I think Obama has to keep hitting on how Republican rhetoric doesn’t match their actions. He has to get the people thinking, “if McCain support the troops so much, why is he against the GI Bill,” and “if he’s such a military expert, why’d he support this Iraq disaster?” He’s gotta knock down some of McCain’s credibility on the issue.

What goes around comes around. It’s not as if they’re not going to be doing more and more from now until it’s over.

I agree it is an issue Obama needs to make and it’s a valid one.

If this is a sign of how the discourse is going to go, we’re in for a long season. Obama’s provocation (and that’s what it was) was savvy and restrained. McCain’s response is personal and angry.

If you want an angry President, that’s certainly what McCain will be- and I think a lot of people do want an angry, “ballsy” President. So he will shore up his support on that front. But there’s certainly a meme building that McCain has a temper, and his advisors would do well to push him away from things like this.

If he wishes to make the valid point that Obama has never served in the military, I think a more dismissive tone would suit him better.

To be honest, I think we lucked out on the Republican side this cycle. I think McCain is a decent guy and is kowtowing to the right because he feels it is the only way to win. If he is in office in January, I won’t throw up. But indulging his temper will not be good for this campaign. I think the press likes it, like a father feels (perhaps privately) when his son bloodies another kid up. They kind of like that he says stuff that no studied press manager would say, and they softpedal him for that reason. Eventually, though, the angry thing will bubble up beyond the late night shows and it will be Al Gore all over again.

Perception is more important than reality. You can’t attack the credibility without it being spinable into attacking McCain as a military man, which turns into a soundbite that is anti-military. It’s best to avoid the issue.

Right, because only Bush can question a war hero’s credibility and win an election.

I say it’s better to take the risk to try to change the perception, rather than cede the issue to McCain.

Are you saying that, because of his military service and heroism, McCain can’t ever be wrong and Obama can’t ever be right? Do you think military issues are not going to come up in the Obama/McCain debates in the fall?

How is the following impugning McCain’s service at all? He comment was on point and about the issue at hand.

"I respect [S]en. John McCain’s service to our country. He is one of those heroes of which I speak. But I can’t understand why he would line up behind the President in his opposition to this GI bill.

I can’t believe why he believes it is too generous to our veterans. I could not disagree with him and the President more on this issue. There are many issues that lend themselves to partisan posturing but giving our veterans the chance to go to college should not be one of them."

In that quote? Obama is claiming that McCain’s opposition is due to “partisan posturing”, that the reason he opposes the bill is because “he believes it is too generous to our veterans” and that McCain doesn’t want to give “our veterans the chance to go to college”.

All this, because McCain has his own version of the GI bill that he prefers to Webb’s version. The quote doesn’t impugn McCain’s service, but it says that McCain doesn’t care about soldiers and is opposing the bill to score political points.

Obama doesn’t need to attack McCain’s status as a military person. He just needs to emphasize that McCain is Bush v2, as he did in the OP quote. He’s in lockstep with Bush, and we can see where Bush has gotten us.

War is what happens when diplomacy fails. These Keystone Kops running our country go straight to war and claim diplomacy weakens us and strengthens the enemy. How fundamentally wrong can anyone be.? Yet somehow they claim expertise in international affairs.

I don’t think McCain’s response sounded particularly over-the-top or intemperate, or even “harshly worded”, but it does sound as if he’s got his back up a little about being criticized by a civilian on military matters. I think he ought to get over it; you can’t be thin-skinned if you’re running for President. I also think Obama was a bit unfair to McCain in what he said.

Strategically speaking, as an Obama supporter, I want Obama to include military issues in his criticism of McCain. He just needs to stay away from implying that McCain is unpatriotic or doesn’t care about the troops. Those are cheap shots anyway. If he’s got substantive criticisms of McCain on defense-related issues he should make them.