Why not? The movie has been out for almost 3 months. Just out of curiosity, when does the “spoiler grace period” end?
I don’t know, but people seem kinda annoyed with me already so I don’t want to push any buttons!
Let’s say major political changes in Wakanda both in terms of foreign and domestic relations happened. And some interpersonal relationships were tested in ways that were ultimately repaired but could easily have not been. In fact, it’s possible that they were not all completely repaired.
It’s not Downey’s senior years we have trouble with.
It’s Stark’s senior moments… 
–G!
No, but I know that enough people on this board sometimes seem to consider Johansson the most beautiful woman in films today that when I disagreed I was risking my online life. 
Actually, movie people have to assume that much of their potential audience has never seen any of the previous films, so they make the entrance into the universe easier. This year’s model has to sell more tickets than last year’s to make the stockholders happy, and there will be some who saw Superduperman 2 who won’t see Superduperman 3 for reasons from their own deaths to the belief that *Superduperman 2 *was just a rehash of Superduperman so why waste their money. All movies need to be able to stand alone, even these, and a new viewer needs to be able to make some sense of it to enjoy it and maybe buy or rent the earlier ones to answer some questions. Then re-see the new one to see how all the parts fit together. And every one of those viewings sounds like ka-CHING! to Marvel and Disney. So no, MCU virgins are necessary for each release to be a success.
And yes, I know that Superduperman was an EC product, not Marvel or DC. Bite me.
Is Marvel aware of this? Because Infinity War gives almost no entrance material or exposition about what’s been going on. And the starting positions of some of the characters really deserves something of a backstory if you weren’t already familiar.
shrug I said they have to, not that they do. Sounds like a dumb plan. Not that I’m planning on seeing it, though I’ve done the pre-reqs.
For certain definitions of “have to”
This Ringer article about the narrative choices between IW and SW:TFW has the author making many of the same arguments I made, just better.
Apparently no, they don’t have to do that at all.
Hah! Trying another argumentum ad populum on me, eh?
Yeah, this:
I’m not sure it’s an excellent business plan long-term, as the number of people yawning and saying, “Another Avengers movie? So what?” seems to be growing, but there will always be more twelve-yr-olds. Striking while the franchise is hot is profitable now, but how many “events” can you have before your audience gets bored?
Note: I was born bored, so I reach my boredom threshold sooner (more soonly?) than most.
The studio’s goal is make bags of money. This film is making them bags of money. Away from the whole subjective argument of whether or not it’s “good”, it’s doing exactly what Marvel/Disney designed it to do so it’s hard to argue that they’re doing it wrong by not hand-holding everyone through the characters.
You say that, but I’ve seen no evidence of it, and plenty of evidence that it just isn’t true.
To quote Stranger’s fabricated quote earlier, ”Yeah, well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.” Let’s look at a few posts from this thread:
The plural of anecdote is not data.
But how long will that last? Or is this a typical business belief that this quarter is all that matters, the future be damned?
Anyway, this thread was based on my subjective opinion that I keep having to repeat: MCU movies have begun to bore me. It was a rant and I’m just one, single data point. That some others agree, if only partially, is nice but not necessary.
People have been predicting its imminent demise since 2012-ish.
You do realize that they have been working on this for a decade, right? They are hardly only thinking of the next quarter.
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My problem is that it seems for me to keep watching MCU movies, I’m going to have a cheat sheet or something. I saw two **Avengers **movies, like, last year, and I couldn’t tell you now what happened in one versus the other or at what point this person has the magic glowing orb or that person has the magic glowing orb. I also watched the two Captain America films about the same time as the **Avengers **movies. I checked the release dates to watch them in order, and a quick look at Wikipedia to jog my memory on who was who and who was where, and that’s a rabbit hole I barely escaped. Turns out there’s not just some magic orb, but a whole series of magic rocks that pop up in various movies for various reasons and change hands from time to time. Going to see the new **Avengers **movie just seems like too much work, if I need to figure out which hero or villain has which magic rock this time.
And, while I’m at it, trying to figure out which superheroes are fighting other superheroes. In my book, superheros fight villains. I have NO interest in watching Batman go against Superman or a Hulk team fight against the Iron-Man team or whatever. Develop good baddies and you won’t have to resort to that.
Maybe it’s because I was one of those kids who’s comic/cartoon tastes ran to Bugs Bunny, Richie Rich, and Archie. I never got into superhero cartoons at all.
The only Spider-man movies I am familiar with are the one with Tobey McGuire. I didn’t realize until just a month ago or so that there *were *other **Spider-man **movies.
Having said all that, I can honestly say *I enjoyed all the Avenger, **Captain America *and TM Spider-man movies I’ve seen. And Guardians of the Galaxy. They were entertaining, with good humor and action. But there’s no way to keep up without effort I’m just not willing to put into it.
That’s cool but we can only sit around and talk about you for so long.
I’m still baffled by these “I don’t like this popular thing!” threads. You don’t like Marvel movies. That’s great! Hell, I like them and I’ll easily admit that they are tropey and a bit hamstrung due to the need to include a big fight scene. They are full of plot holes and dubious science. But I still enjoy them, as do others, because I like the action, and Marvel has been good at delivering that in basically well directed and acted flicks, with humor and some emotional tension. Let the people who enjoy them watch them, and for you who don’t, don’t.
Also, it would really strengthen your case if you made sure your criticism didn’t contain objective factual mistakes. It makes you look less like “informed critic with something to say” and more like “Old man yells at cloud.”
But, in the spirit of generosity, here are 3 good action movies that don’t contain superheroes at all:
The Nice Guys
Hope you enjoy!