Oops! Poor word choice. I started my last sentence in the previous post with: “I will contend…”. That should have been “I will concede…”.
Careful, Joey. Not only are you open to the considerable wrath of a sensei ( whatever that is.), but he will also tell you what books to read, because if you don’t you won’t think the way he thinks. WOE to you, huh?
Now as for the attack on me personally. Glitch wants to argue because I dragged personal experience into it. I have been, even to his last post, been accused of “buying into the myth”. Elsewhere, I’ve been accused of buying into the “Killer”
stuff. All I said was this: You know your stuff? Don’t dare lecture ME on Hollywood/Hong Kong filmmaking. Go and teach your seminars, I am sure you go to sleep very proud that you’ve helped raise a generation of incredibly violent humans. My objection to the last few threads is that you are assuming that I have “bought into” some myth. If THAT was true, my kids would spar at Tournaments.
Just because I don’t have YOUR “Bible” memorized does not mean I don’t have proper respect for the ideals and goals of Martial Arts. That’s quite insulting. I happen to have strong personal feelings about the art. It just means I don’t kneel at your personal altar. Thank god.
Apparently, NO discipline is worth ANYTHING in your eyes, unless you have taught it. Tae Kwon Do, according to what you have just said to me, teaches me to “buy into Myths”. How very narrowminded. I bet you are just a crackerjack teacher at teaching people how to kill their opponent in a street brawl. Me, I’d rather teach my children balance, respect, hard work, focus and desire to attain a goal. I know, hardly the stuff of Voluntary Manslaughter, but hey, they’re kids. Don’t worry, if I get skeered, I can send them off to a seminar here in my state, where they can learn to kill people too ! The world is full of licensed killers, but the numbers of sane practitioners of true Martial Arts seems to be dwindling. I guess too many just “Buy Into The Myth” these days, huh?
Big difference between being closed-minded, and defending my feelings. I will find that book on Amazon today, it it’s available there, and I will read it.
Cartooniverse
If you want to kiss the sky, you’d better learn how to kneel.
Gee, who seems to be firing the first shot when it comes to accusations? Are you going to make me go over the record again? You made a statement concerning two blows winning a fight, I tried to give you some of my knowledge concerning that particular myth (i.e. that martial arts blows are some kind of “Hammer of Thor” and decimate untrained yahoos). You then replied with a scathing attack on me. Nice selective amnesia Cartooniverse.
I am very proud that I have taught people the tools they need to survive a serious violent encounter. I am very proud that I haven’t taken the easy road and simply supplied them with a lot of bullshit and false confidence.
Gee, maybe because it is true? I have only seen it who knows how many thousands of times.
Do you like writing fiction?
Please point out where I wanted to teach kids to be violent? Go ahead… I’ll wait.
Back so soon? Didn’t find it did you?
Pure fiction invented by you about me.
Please find where I said I don’t believe in teaching respect, balance, hard work, etc? Go ahead … I’ll wait.
Back so soon? Didn’t find it did you?
Pure fiction invented by you about me.
Please find where I stated that no discipline not taught be me was worth anything? Go ahead … I’ll wait.
Couldn’t find that either could ya?
You know why … because it is fiction invented by you about me.
What I have stated on MANY occasions is that there are plenty of reasons to take the martial arts, and that you shouldn’t BULLSHIT yourself or let your instructor BULLSHIT you as to whether you are learning effective self defense or not.
You want to learn for purely pacficitic reasons? Great. I applaud you, and I am truly glad you are happy pursuing that. But you can’t have you cake and eat it too. If you don’t work and developing proper survival mindset and the proper tools for crime survival you won’t. This seems to be your problem. You think by training like for balance, respect and discipline you also happen to be developing crime survival skills. I am telling you that you aren’t based on my knowledge and studies in the area (something that you HAVEN’T done). You can feel free to consult with numerous police experts if you like. They’ll tell you the same thing. You are free to feel that I am wrong, but your feelings are hardly compelling as facts.
Time to take this argument to the Pit, gentlemen. Personal insults have no place in GQ.
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I decided, considering how worked up I am over this thread, to re-read the entire thread. Glitch, you are right. I am wrong. All the way down the line. I apologize for every single negative thing that was posted in this thread under my name. You obviously know exactly what you are talking about.
I yield to you years of training. Period. You win.
CartooniverseI would also like to apologize for the negative attacks I have made. They were not justified. Like you Cartooniverse, I have a great passion for the martial arts (otherwise I wouldn’t be teaching it). I believe I got carried away myself.
Osu!
Nah, it doesn’t need to go to the Pit. Or, if it does, I won’t be part of it. I apologized already to Glitch. Perhaps his last posting and mine crossed.
I got extremely worked up over this one. I’m sure that whatever it is that he’s doing, he’s doing it good intentions in mind. Perhaps we could agree that people study Martial Arts for a great variety of reasons. And no, my feelings aren’t facts. They’re just feelings.
My apologies to the OP’er too. Surely you didn’t mean for your query to take this turn. I’m not interested in trolling, never have been, sure damned well won’t start now. Everyone has their agenda, I didn’t mean to attack Glitch’s with such vitriol.
Cartooniverse
If you want to kiss the sky, you’d better learn how to kneel.
Ah, I can feel the love. Thanks, gents, for re-reading and posting as you did.
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After being taught by one of the best and then going on to teach myself I find this to be an interesting topic, I am supposing that the question was hypothetical in nature.
These are just my thoughts…
If a ten year was old was being attacked by an adult the best strategy would be to run like hell, regardless of training. A well placed blow could give the child time to make an escape but I agree that a ten year old’s chances in a prolonged toe to toe fight with an adult would be slim and foolish for the child to consider. The adult would only need a few well placed blows and the child would be done for.
In teaching children and adults my rule has always been to avoid physical confrontation at all costs. There are so many variables and unknowns to consider that fighting should only be used as a last resort. I am a small man, at five foot nine and 145 pounds most people don’t find me all that intimidating and that has worked to my advantage on several occasions when there was no option except for physical confrontation. Being that I have never been the aggressor in a fight has also made a difference as I believe that a well trained martial artist has the edge if they are defending themselves.
In teaching a number of children and women I have stressed that going toe to toe with a larger stronger (male) opponent is a poor idea. Quickly incapacitating your opponent so that you can walk away is the preferred strategy for this situation.
In situations where I have been forced to defend myself I have focussed on this, there have been more than a few souls who thought I was an easy target who paid the price for their foolhardiness. I am not going to duke it out with anyone when I can quickly render them unable to inflict any damage to myself. My thought is, if you can’t stand up, you can’t hit me…
Would either of you be armed?
Sorry:: The quote from CARTOONIVERSE that I’d meant in reference to my suggestion IS NOT THE ABOVE-GIVEN ONE; IT’S THIS ONE HEREBELOW (and the suggestion was that Cartooniverse add his comment to postings in reply to "SILENTKNIGHT"S QUESTION OF 3-11-2K (10;54PM/AM), “WHAT IS THE BEST MARTIAL ARTS?” Cartooniverse’s relevant quote is this: [It’s error to assume] that in order to “WIN” a fight/confrontation, my 9 1/2 year old son has to render an opponent unconscious, as Glitch described in his street brawl story.
Sorry, but I have no fucking clue what they teach you in Tang Soo Do. ( Or, for that matter, what you are passing on to your students) In Tae Kwon Do, we are taught that the finest thing to do when threatened is run. The second finest thing to do is to defend yourself JUST to the degree that you can get away. My statement that one or two well placed blows would win is accurate, in the real world.
Talk about macho bullshit posturing. A fractured skull? Thank god my kid doesn’t read this board. So, we are all supposed to be so proud that you fractured a man’s skull using a brick wall? Tae Kwon Do is an art of self-defense, and safety, not smashing human being’s skulls into walls. You teach that to the kids at your do-jang? God help 'em.
If he could keep his wits about him ( and, my honest take is that he would most likely panic and forget his training), two well placed blows to an UNTRAINED adult would let my son get away un-assaulted. The concussive force delivered to the groin, kneecaps or solar plexus by a focused front-snap kick would be enough to let him escape an adult bent on hurting him.
If, on the other hand, my son is supposed to think that in having earned his black belt, he’s supposed to smash the adult’s head against the wall until his skull fractures ( breaks open ), then yeah, you guys are all right on the money. A small child would lose pitifully. Luckily, the discipline THEY are studying develops respect for others, and a realization that to flee is a fine response.
What was that about adults putting their kids at risk by letting them think they can fight an adult, as in the martial arts films?
I’d agree with your comments on tag sparring, however. They don’t learn to fight by doing that, they learn aim, speed, placement, and skill. Unfortunately, the only way to learn to fight is to fight.
Interesting, that I am writing this today. I’m going back tonight, to begin again my work on my first don.
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