I don’t even see why it would entitle him to full custody, especially after he injured the baby while beating the shit of her mother.
Actually no, I just found this by chance, looked like a new home so I moved in.
To the rest of you that are taking exception to what I’m not saying, it just goes to show that you see what you want and ignore the rest, it’s called ignorance…
Well, I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m extremely pissed that you haven’t said anything about your attitude to viability of cereal production in the EEC.
It certainly is, you fucking moron.
By the time most humans reach Mel’s age we’ve all been used and betrayed at one time or another, but I know few people that have resorted to this level of rage and violence. If you are not rich and some ho (not saying Oksana is) walks out with your wallet and your last 20 dollars, it is more than Mel will loose, and it would still not justify this. Nothing does. Most of us learn that when we are about 3 years old.
No no, my point was BEFORE hitting her, if he discovered continue previous post from here
I’ve been a probation officer for 13 years and have supervised thousands of domestic abusers. In fact, for the last three years, I’ve had a caseload comprised largely of domestic abusers, and consequently have been to a lot of additional training on the issue.
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
**Dio **is pretty much right on the money.
That’s basically my attitude. I don’t for a second think Oksana is some kind of snow-white innocent, but Mel’s behaviour is inexcusable; no one, gold-digger or whatever Oksana might be, deserves to be treated like that. If she’s a lousy excuse for a human being, stop hanging around with her; let your lawyers deal with the custody issues.
All I know is that when I was married I loved my wife more than I loved myself and she ended up fucking me over but good.
Oddly, that experience didn’t once make me utter the word, “nigger.”
Sorry, I had to laugh 
Shirley, I’ve had the best of the best attack me with these little immature jibs and jabs and it don’t mean noth’n, this is the internet…You are an island…
I don’t know why I post here. Between Cat Whisperer and Vinyl Turnip, everything I want to say is said more eloquently, more logically, with better grammar and funnier.
Oh, by the way, if either of you guys wanted to participate in the “You’re Hardcore Cred” thread, now you are ready to go.
Yeah, they always say the other person is immature.
Is it within possibility that:
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Gibson is a sick, narcissistic, violent, warped, sad, cruel, selfish, rageaholic asswipe of the first order and there’s no excuse on earth for him to behave the way he does.
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Oksana is a typical goldigger with all that entails
and both things can be true simultaneously and that neither mitigates or explains the other, they can exist simultaneously in the same universe?
Is that within anyone’s ability to accept?
Wow. I read through this whole thread after listening to that first tape, and I still feel the same as I did upon hearing it:
Yes, this man is clearly out of his mind, probably due to some form/history of substance abuse (steroids, alcohol, both, etc…) and/or a psychotic break.
I also hear a tremendous amount of PAIN being expressed as rage.
There is no excuse for his alleged physical abuse and it goes without saying that his verbal assaults are WAY over the top.
We have no idea what the internal dynamics of this relationship were…all we are hearing is a man who has gone off the deep end in the wake of what he obviously interprets as a deep betrayal. How much is paranoia/psychosis/substance fueled and how much, to some degree or another, rooted in legitimate complaint? Severe overreaction regardless, but from his perspective? 
When he speaks of the child, the choked up agony in his voice is clear even through the suface emotion of fury directed at the mother (and that level of rage speaks to strong emotional attachment to HER…the opposite of love is not hate, it is indeed indifference).
He accuses her of becoming indifferent and emotionally hostile towards him, using him, not supporting him, threatening him with loss of their child, etc…Some or all of which MAY, in fact, be true. We don’t know. All we know is what we hear on these recordings, made without his knowledge with the intent of documenting his apparently irrational rage. Her calm, scripted comments COULD indicate a victim of chronic abuse fitting the pattern of not arguing OR they could just as easily be seen as a means of eliciting even greater wrath by refusing to acknowledge his complaints or engage him.
Please note, I am NOT suggesting his behavior on these recordings is rational or that “she deserved it” or that he is NOT clearly terribly mentally unstable and/or dangerous. Just that it is possible there exists some underlying justification for his perceptions of personal injury, as obviously blown out of all proportion as his expression of them IS.
And yeah, I WILL say it: WTH WAS she still living in HIS house, since she supposedly was self-supporting AND had a friend’s place (as she mentioned) she could go to AND in fear for her life and that of their child? :dubious: Seriously…this is not some long-standing, abusive relationship in which the victim often has nowhere else to go or has been stuck in the cycle so long they find it difficult to extricate themselves. They were together, what? A few years? She is what? 40? That COULD be interpreted as a legal manuever to retain possession of the property as a primary residence with an eye to taking it in court as part of a settlement. Just saying.
I have personally witnessed exactly this sort of tirade, from a former business partner and close friend who was unstable for a long time and who, as a result of underlying emotional and substance abuse issues “snapped” during a divorce and business crisis (he was the cause of BOTH, ftr). His self-loathing and sickness manifested as pure, irrational rage towards his wife and us, his business partners.
He was so high-functioning until the very end that others refused to believe us when we said he was unstable and considered dissolving the partnership. They simply could not accept that our tales of a raving maniac could be true…THEY’D never seen him like that! Why, he was the most reasonable, calm person they’d ever met. We MUST have been exagerating. :rolleyes: He was a master of masks.
Thing was, this guy was not a monster…he was just sick and in terrible pain over the destruction he’d wreaked in his life. And his chemical issues aggravated the situation.
His bull-like, panting, brachiating displays and the horrible things he would say and his insane paranoia masked a misery and self-loathing so deep IT was the truly frightening thing. 
I hope he got help (I don’t know because we cut him completely out of our lives during this period).
So flame away, but I refuse to be bullied into ignoring the possibility that, to borrow from Forrest Gump, it could be BOTH happening at the same time: Gibson is a dangerous, abusive nutcase AND she is a passive-agressive gold-digger/star-fucker who goaded him over the already close edge in a calculated manner.
The REAL victims in these situations are the children, unfortunately.
We know this. We’ve gone over this.
It is possible that she is a gold-digger, but it’s entirely irrelevant. Yes, I understand that this isn’t CSI, and that we’re just a bunch of people chattering about a celebrity dust-up on a message board, so it’s okay that we feel free to dish a bit. However, this “She’s a gold digger” bit has the subtext that reads “She was not entirely undeserving of this abuse.” No one would enter this conversation about Crazy Mel and say, “You know, she wears a size 8 shoe.” If someone did that, we’d all be asking what the fuck that had to do with anything. If someone were to say, “You know, she’s rumored to be a Class-A bitch,” we’d likely have a discussion about how much that mitigates the offense, if at all. The point is statements or speculations about her character say to me, subtly or perhaps even subconsciously, that the abuse and her possible gold-diggery are somehow related. They are as related as her shoe size.
I think you make a very valid argument, and I’m not entirely disagreeing.
But I do think it’s perfectly possible that some people are just dishing both sides of it without any “she deserved it” subtext, it’s just: gee, two people I really have no desire to hang out with, ever.
The subtext is unavoidable. That aspect (unlike Mel’s behavior) is based on nothing but speculation and (also like Mel’s behavior) not criminal.
He seems to think her primary act of betrayal was not giving him a blowjob when he wanted one.
Incidentally, if he gave a crap about the baby, he wouldn’t bruise her up in the process of whaling on her mother.
No shit! That harpoon’s gotta hurt.