Nope—he’s using a cast of unknowns (who will probably remain so). He is also building his own church in Calif., because all the Catholic churches there are too liberal and left-wing for him . . .
Nothing good? Probably something like, “Hey! We are SO real.” 
Rex Dart got me wondering if anyone did protest JCS on the grounds that it was anti-Semitic. So I did a search.
http://www.geocities.com/willoxst/JesusCristSuperstar.html
Mentions in a footnote that JCS is accused of anti-semitism, but doesn’t give more detail than that.
This article, which says it originally appeared in 1974, says that
http://www.religion-online.org/cgi-bin/relsearchd.dll/showarticle?item_id=1606
This site, which I don’t consider a reliable source, as there are plainly a few bats in the author’s belfry, does mention a Boston Globe column from 1973 decrying accusations of anti-semitism in JCS:
I checked the Boston Globe, and they’ve only archived articles back to 1979, so I don’t have access to the actual column.
This site
http://www.div.ed.ac.uk/research/com/telford.htm
mentions that JCS was “branded anti-semitic in some quarters” without further elaboration.
This site is pretty recent, and can’t tell us what people thought of JCS at the time. But it does accuse JCS of anti-Semitism http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:ou1XZtEXcLoC:members.tripod.com/mattybonz/Archives/The_Cardinal_Sins.doc+“jesus+christ+superstar”+controversy+anti-semitic&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 , which says
From what I’ve seen, I’m concluding that there was, indeed, some controversy over the issue of the portrayal of the Jews’ participation in Jesus’ execution, but it was largely overshadowed by the more familiar one, that it was sacrilegious and irreverent. Likely because most non-Jews have never given the matter much thought, I’d say.
My take on Gibson’s comment about the movie–his answer indicates to me that he hasn’t given the matter much thought, either, which doesn’t bode well.
“Yes, Art, I’ll take Bigoted Looneytunes for $200.”
John was extremely controversial, and while your teachers liked him, a lot of people didn’t. Vatican II made some major changes.
Then, of course, what a lot of the traditionalists are upset about is Paul’s Novus Ordo mass.
her’s anti-gay rights, anti-abortion, anti-divorce . . . Pretty much what you’d expect for a Catholic, really, but his films’ backers would really like to keep this under wraps . . .
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pssst, Hey Religious types. The rest of the world thinks that ALL religious people in the U.S., and not just Catholics, have the views expressed by Eve.
We don’t really know any different, since religion is arguably dying out everywhere except the U.S., Africa, and Brazil.
Oh, I’m aware of that, Captain Amazing. But I wasn’t when I was in school. Which should say something, since we still had nuns in habits with their adopted names. (Sr. Frances especially, she rocked. Of course, I think she was also proud of the fact that I was the only kid in her class that remembered what Bevilaqua’s name meant-“drink water”-and that I was the only girl called on-after he asked EVERY boy in the class. Heh. I was her pet, though.)
Here I found an article on sedevacantism and how it’s a heresy. I don’t know how credible the article looks, but he author seems to be using common sense-they should be willing to admit they’re splintering from the church like various Protestant movements who disagreed with changes.
As for Hanna Gibson, I have to say, good for her. Having her convictions and sticking to them-it’s not an easy life, and more power to her if that’s what she wants. Though they don’t say what order she entered, I think I can safely say it ain’t the Maryknolls. 
He may be a religious zealot (hey, join the parade, Mel!) but I’d still do 'im. I mean, it’s not like he’s so catholic that he hasn’t floozed around on Robyn.
He may be a religious zealot (hey, join the parade, Mel!) but I’d still do 'im. I mean, it’s not like he’s so catholic that he hasn’t floozed around on Robyn.
Yeah, that article is probably a pretty good description of how the Vatican feels about sedevacantism. Of course, the sedevacantists, OTOH, would say that they’re not splintering from the church, but that they are the real church, and that mainstream Catholicism is heresy.
Of course, sedevacantism is pretty extreme, even by traditionalist standards, and most traditionalist groups aren’t sedevacantist. The Vatican, though, has tended to take a “middle course”, condemning the traditionalists on the “right”, and the conciliar movement and liberation theology on the “left”.
The interesting point to me is hypocrisy: it is one thing to be an ardent right winger religiously, preaching all sorts of beliefs, but then the preacher must live up to them.
IMO the highest and mightiest are often the most fallible.
Jim Caviezel (who is playing Jesus) and Monica Bellucci (Mary M.) are hardly unknowns.
Look, Mel’s dad is obviously a loon who spends way too much time in a little cluttered room somewhere cutting all the eyes out of religious portaiture with an X-acto knife. I think it’s relatively safe to mock him briefly, then forget about him for the rest of our lives.
Mel, on the other hand, is dangerous insofar as he has a lot of money and holds some sway over the ignorant and star-struck. Not that every bacon-eating, mal-adjusted cave-dweller who thought “The Patriot” was the zenith of American film-making will flock to his ideology. I’m just saying that we may have another tragic political disaster like Charlton Heston on our hands in a few years. (Please ignore this last sentence if you like/agree with Charlton Heston. Live free or die!)
I was raised RC, but I have no idea what’s going on with the Church these days, nor do I particularly care, as the Pope and I have worked out a nice “You don’t fuck with me, I don’t fuck with you” sort of deal. But I remember being taught as a wee Ratty-pup that all Jews were, in fact, bloodthirsty vestigial-tailed cannibals hell-bent on paving the way for the Anti-Christ, step one being to make real sure that poor beleauguered hippy got nailed to a tree. (It’s great how you don’t have to worry about that messy “truth” issue in most extremist viewpoints.) Even as a mere larva, I was a little confused about this claim. To wit- Jesus died to save us all from eternal torment. If Jesus had not made that most valiant of sacrifices, we’d all be headed straight for the Boiler Room. Thus, anyone who actually killed Jesus was doing God’s work and should be applauded for their contribution to the war effort. No? But then, I failed Religious Education three years running, so what the hell do I know about the Mystery of Mysteries?
To sum up: Mel’s dad = harmless crackpot; Mel = potentially influential and therefore a threat to rational beings everywhere crackpot; Mel’s daughter = misguided but brave soul whose dedication, if not belief system, I applaud; and most Jews, Catholics, atheists, and generally most people everywhere regardless of creed, color, or political opinion = okay Joes.
Kalhoun-really? Got any sites? Not because I don’t believe but because I’d LOVE to read that. What a holier than thou prick.
Captain Amazing-being I that I believe very strongly in liberation theology, I guess that would make me as heretical as Mel? (well that and I’m not a practicing Catholic who leans towards Unitarian Universalist beliefs.)
The only thing going for the “Latin Mass” would probably be more of, I don’t know, that it might sound very pretty? I do like a lot of the old hymns like Schubert’s Ave Maria and that. And I like the older churches, built before WWI. But then, that’s just because I like old things in general.
Mel Gibson is in no way a Roman Catholic in the way that most sane people would define the term.
In the abovementioned article, Mel was quoted as buying into his loony father’s crackpot idea that John XXIII was not rightfully elected because the cardinal that was rightfully elected was pushed aside because of nuclear blackmail! Then Mel declined to say anything further because he’ll wind up dead!
Even though a spokesperson for Mel said that Mel didn’t agree with everything his father believes, that one public display of conspiratorial paranoia alone should be enough to certify Mel for a white jacket.
The fact that Mel thinks the current Pope is a pretender to the Chair of Peter and belongs to a break away church is enough heresy for automatic excommunication. (Trust me on this, don’t make me quote Canon Law on you.)
So, to summarize, Mel is crazy, and not a Roman Catholic.
Peace.
Yes, but a scrumptious insane heretic at that!
What exactly is “liberation theology”, in a nutshell? Just so I know what we’re talking about here, and the significance of opposing or supporting it.
This part really got me. Your dad, well, you can’t help what your dad thinks. But if you choose to marry a woman whose views are the same, well, that indicates a certain amount of agreement.
And those statements above are the statements of people who are up to their necks in Holocaust denial. After the stormfront invasion over here, I read up on all this stuff; it took me quite a while. You don’t spit out statements like the above without having done a considerable amount of “research”.
Well, you’re not going to be on the Pope’s Christmas card list, but I don’t think liberation theology has been declared heretical yet.
Rexdart, One short hand description of liberation theology I’ve heard is “Catholic Communism”. It began in the '50s and '60s, among Latin American bishops and theologians concerned about the welfare of the Latin American poor. Based on Catholic social teachings, they developed (and this was spelled out in the Medellin Conference) a critique of the current economic system. They argued that the current world economic system (and especially in Latin America) was sinful, that the massive income gap and the crushing poverty of the peasants were evil, and that it was the duty of every Catholic to work towards more equal distribution of wealth and change of the current economic and social system.
Here’s a pretty good summary of liberation theology’s beliefs
http://www.socinian.org/liberty.html
They drew fire from the institutional Church for a few reasons. First of all, liberation theologians have been pretty strong critics of the Catholic Church, saying that it’s too rich, too biased towards groups in power, and unwilling to propose radical changes that would threaten the global power structure. The church’s main criticism of liberation theology is that it’s too materialistic…it talks a lot about improving physical conditions, but the spiritual is too often shoved aside. There’s also the concern that Liberation Theologians are too willing to deal with Marxists and Marxist groups. There are some more points of disagreement, but I can’t think of them now.
Well, Joye is Hutton Gibson’s wife…not Mel’s.
With Hutton, when we consider his move of the family to Australia, is anyone supprised that he’s a nut?