What’s a Stuckey’s Log, anyhow? Saw the title and couldn’t help but think of Copie One, the MC for Spoz’s band Subwoofer.
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The reactions this movie has caused among normally rational people fascinate me. The guy’s making what could be a decent movie about the major event in the religion he shares with about a third of the world. I mean, so what? So he doesn’t like Vatican II - big whoop. So his dad’s a nut; anyone got any evidence MEL GIBSON hates Jews? We’ve already had someone trot out the old “Christians should put all their money towards helping the poor, not towards making a movie about Christianity” chestnut.
If some Hollywood star put a big pile of his own money into a movie celebrating the Wicca faith, there’d be eight threads in Cafe Society talking about how wonderful it was.
Stuckeys:
http://www.stuckonstuckeys.com/
Log:
http://www.recipegoldmine.com/ccS/s27.html
Not from the South, are ya?
And re: the OP, what RickJay said. Can’t we all just wait for the movie and then decide? I’d wager the people all in a tither about this are the same ones who rip the fundamentalists for attacking movies they haven’t seen and books they haven’t read.
That was Cesar Romero, not Oscar Romero.
Um, I see Gibson’s dad as a problem if he’s a Holocaust denier, and if Mel is going around making up crazy conspiracy theories.
See, this thread was about Hutton, not Mel, really.
Guin, we were less than 20 messages into the thread before you made it about Mel Gibson: “Mel Gibson is an embarassment,” to quote you, or “Mel Gibson is a complete asshole,” based on… well, it’s not exactly clear why. Because his religious beliefs differ from yours? He doesn’t like your favourite Pope? It’s a free country, isn’t it?
This thread AND the C.S. thread on “The Passion” appear to be wholly the product of the fact that Gibson is making a daring and unusual movie about Jesus Christ, and it’s been revealed that
A) Gibson has unusual religious beliefs, and
B) Gibson’s Dad is a nutbar.
I don’t see why Mel Gibson is an asshole or an “embarassment” to you.
My point was that it’s really quite a shame that the reaction of the SDMB, normally a group of very literate and open-minded folks, to Gibson’s movie has NOT been to say “Now look at this, here’s a Hollywood star who instead of making another commercial pap movie to make a quick three-five bux, he’s doing something totally different, something he believes in, and he doesn’t care if it doesn’t have mass market appeal.” Here we quite literally have a Hollywood superstar who is doing the exact opposite of what Hollywood is accused of doing and is producing something solely for the sake of his artistic and personal expression. I think that’s worth a little praise. I would have hoped we could have had a discussion on whether the movie could work without subtitles and whether Gibson had the cinematic chops to pull it off, or whether Jim Caviezel could play Christ, or some speculation on how Gibson’s going to portray the events. I was kind of hoping to ask some questions in GQ about the history of Aramaic, too, as a result of hearing about this movie, but I wonder if it’ll stick in GQ now.
Instead, the focus of discussion is on two completely irrelevant points: Gibson’s dad’s idiocy, and Gibson’s personal sect of Christianity, which doesn’t even appear to figure into “The Passion.” Why either of those things is Pit-worthy I cannot imagine, and you sure as hell are not going to convince me the OP was just about HUTTON Gibson, because the rest of the thread sure isn’t just about crazy old Hutton, and it wouldn’t have gotten started anyway if H. Gibson’s son wasn’t Mel Gibson.
What, you mean Gibson is still married to his wife, has raised a large family of happy children, and protects his dottering father?
The bastard.
Hasn’t he learned that you don’t get respect in Hollywood until you dump your wife, abandon your children, and shack up with a 20 year old starlet?
Yeah. I liked his zombie movies, though.
Dude, did you read the thread? He’s been known to cheat on his wife quite a bit.
Yes, Gibson is entitled to his beliefs. And I’m entitled to say he’s full of shit. He shouldn’t call himself a Catholic if he’s a Sedevecantist, because it’s a heresy. I know I’m not a good Catholic anymore, but I have the balls to admit to it.
And of course, the German thing is a myth.
Nah… born and raised here in Vancouver. Thanks for the links, though!
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I have no problem with Mel as a person, and will definitely see the movie, but I do have a problem if he’s as anti-Jewish as his father and he intends to let that horsecrap influence his portrayal of one of the most controversial events in history.
Also, he’s not Catholic, and it is insulting to actual Catholics for him to go around and pretend like he’s damn near the only Catholic left.
How about his well-documented homophobia?
This thread is a product of his film? Funny, because no one bothered to even mention it until halfway through the first page.
How about the fact that, already in this thread, Eve used Mel’s beliefs to smear all of Catholicism (although to her credit, she quickly and voluntarily retracted those statements). Gibson is an asshole because of some of his beliefs, and he’s an embarassment because he creates the impression that those beliefs spring directly out of his Catholicism, when in fact, he’s not even a Catholic at all.
Well, Mel Gibson, as it turns out, was raised by a holocaust denier, anti-Semite, and religious bigot. And now Mel wants to make a movie on one of the most important religious figures of all time. This is a story that has a long and bloody history of being used as an excuse for all sorts of anti-Jewish bigotry, while his own dad is busy making excuses for the single worst act of anti-Semitism in human history. So, yeah, a lot of people are going to be pretty skeptical of this movie. This is a surprise to you?
Plus, you’re making a pretty huge fucking assumption that the people who are grumbling about this upcoming movie share your opinion that this film is what Hollywood needs more of. Speaking only for myself, I’ve no intention of rushing out to watch an unsubtitled movie filmed entirely in Aramaic. This doesn’t sound daring and artistic, it sounds bloody stupid and boring. I didn’t need to know that Mel’s dad was a Nazi sympathizer to not want to see his masturbatory Jesus film.
And finally, it’s a little hard to discuss a movie nobody’s seen yet. So, big surprise: when people talk about Mel’s looney religious movie, they tend to bring up Mel’s looney religious relatives. Why? Because there’s nothing else to talk about! Any sort of “debate” is going to boil down to a Mel Gibson popularity poll. “I thought he was great in Lethal Weapon III, I can’t wait to see what he thinks about Jesus!” If you think there’s any meat in that discussion, why aren’t you over in Cafe Society starting it? You think there’s something worth debating in those questions? Go in there and ask them for Christ’s sake, and stop bitching in here about how no one’s asking the “really interesting” questions, yourself included.
Of course it wouldn’t have started if Hutton Gibson wasn’t Mel’s dad. If his son wasn’t one of the most famous actors working in Hollywood, Hutton would just be another crackpot bigot: a low-rent Fred Phelps, ranting about how much petrol it takes to burn a human corpse. I don’t see how you can possibly claim that the senior Gibson’s idiocy and the extent to which his son agrees with him are “irrelevent,” since that’s the entire point of this thread. If you don’t care for that sort of discussion, stay out of celebrity gossip threads.
So document it.
The only people “creating” impressions here are us. Gibson himself seems to be fairly private about the specifics of his faith. He has a right to believe what he believes, even if he happens to be in the tiny minority.
As for his “not being a Catholic at all,” that is obviously stupid bullshit. He is clearly not a good Roman Catholic, and his beliefs are heretical according to the Church on a couple of counts, but his faith from what we can ascertain is very obviously heavily Catholic, being as it is a faith based on… the Roman Catholic Church, pre-Vatican II. His core beliefs are identical to those of a Roman Catholic. Clearly, his faith does include a lot of Catholicism. So he wants to call himself a different sort of “Catholic.” So what? A billion Roman Catholics might disagree, but the fun thing about religion is that it’s all subjective. The Southern Baptists are entitled to say Catholics aren’t really Christians, the Shi’ites and Sunnis are entitled to say each other aren’t real Muslims, the Jehovah’s Witnesses are entitled to say THEY’RE the only Christians, and I’m sure there are Hindu sects who accuse other Hindu sects of not being Hindus.
No, in retrospect, I am not the slightest bit surprised that people are bitching about a movie they’ve never seen and ascribing the sins of a father to his son. The narrow-mindedness, reactionary attitude, and stupidity of people shouldn’t surprise me any more, I guess.
Many years ago, when “The Last Tempation of Christ” (starring Willem Dafoe) came out, petitions were being spread around to all the Christian churches (including mine) saying that the movie was an abomonation, blasphemy, etc. These petitions asked all us Good Christians to picket the movie, protest the movie, etc.
I remember what my mom (a good “Church Lady”) said about that. “I will wait and see it for myself and make up my own mind!”
(As it happens, none of us have ever seen the film, but we never badmouth it. What the hell do we know about it? We’ve never seen it!)
I always have liked Mel Gibson’s films, and I don’t know how much I can believe about the rumors of his personal life or personal beliefs. Hell—if I believed 10% of the rumors I hear…
But I do know this—some artists are jerks, but we still enjoy their work. ::shrug::
RickJay, there’s a thread in Cafe Society if you want to discuss the actual film.
No, he’d rather stay here and moan about how no one wants to dicuss a film no one’s seen yet. If he actually started a debate on the film himself, he’d have nothing left to complain about.
The Romans killed Jesus. 
You resurrected (ha!) a six-month old thread for that?
In honor of his new movie coming out: Passion of Christ ?