message boards in general

hypothetically:

What would happen if someone launched a UBB or VB message board that was physically maintained (software & hardware) but never moderated (content & usage)???

There almost seems to be a “silent code” that all message boards MUST be moderated. Is moderation a “must-do” part of the user-agreement to implement the UBB / VB software?

note: I am not necessarily condoning message board anarchy, but it is an intruiging concept, that I would like to hear some theories on. Any true histories of such above instances would also be welcomed.

Unmoderated groups, such as many usenet groups, tend to get a lot of spam. I think this is a strong part of the motivation for having moderators.

Personally, I don’t see how something like that could work. It would be chaos.

You’d have full blown spamming, troll infestations, sock puppets, incessant flame wars, and finally, a complete breakdown in communication.

Who would have the will, or desire, to search for the good stuff among the huge pile of crap?

The smart ones would eventually go elsewhere.

There’s no shortage of stupidy on the net. We even get some here, and it’s moderated. Imagine what would happen in a free-for-all.

When I entered “message board” “not moderated” into google, I got 2000 hits, and the first few would appear to be boards that are just that-maintained, but not moderated.

Pretty much exactly like the bulk of Usenet. There are two possibilities:

1: Spam, spam, and more spam. On- and off-topic battles soon cease to even get breathing room as spam chokes the life away.

2: Aggressive self-moderation of the group community. This is a rarer option, but does happen. One of my favorite examples is S.P.U.T.U.M (for SubGenius Police, Usenet Tactical Unit, Mobile), a group of Dobbs-righteous yetinsyn who pursue spammers with a vengeance. Of course, the nature of usenet is such that users have more options to take on this kind of battle than message board users.

Once the spam problem is taken care of, the only other community self-moderation tasks is keeping things more or less within topic. Of course, there’s no real reason there couldn’t be an Everything Board, whose topic is any topic at all, and in that case the lowest common denominator (well, next-lowest, since spam will presumably be fought under this hypothetical) will rule by default. Typical discourse will look like users taking turns randomly throwing cats on their keyboards.

I believe they call those unmoderated, chaotic, boards, AOL

My very favorite board is unmoderated, and it has the least problem with spam or flammers of any board I’ve ever seen. The posters are courteous and friendly, and although a certain amount of self-examination goes on regarding how close to “topic” we should stay, it is generally a pleasant mix of topical discussion and off-the-wall thread diversions.

Which I assume, Sparteye, means there’s no way in **** you’ll be telling us where that board might be?

I am personally acquainted with the following five different hobbyist message boards, all of which have moderators listed for the forums (some forums have two or three moderators):

MB #1: A very large UK board, which on the surface insists on extreme politeness in all forums, but whose moderators are allowed to express all-stops-out confrontational Pit-style opinions as they please (no hobby is ever cut and dried–there is always room for discussion). If you express amazement at this, or if you sound in any way judgemental (“hey! no fair, you’re a moderator…”), perhaps comparing it unfavorably to other MBs, you are immediately jumped on with both feet by all the other moderators. And I’m not talking about the usual “the SDMB mods are a clique!” accusations, I’m talking about serious moderator mob rule. You are immediately the Bad Guy, all your previous posts are resurrected, dissected, and discussed at length by a group of mods, special note being made of all the other times you ever disagreed with a mod. There is a lot of good hobbyist information at this MB, but I keep taking it off my Favorites list, because of the lectures from the mods, and because they have the gall to say, piously, “We’re all just here to answer questions and to help people, so let’s all stick to the facts…” Okay, I’m sticking to the facts, but what about Mr. Moderator, who just called me a cruel and unusual person because he happens to disagree with my technique?

MB #2: A very small, very quiet MB, whose mods are invisible, although their names are listed. Rarely hear a peep out of any of them. They never lock spam threads, or move threads posted in the wrong forums, or delete duplicate threads. They never offer advice to new posters on how not to start a new thread accidentally instead of clicking on Post Reply. Dunno what they do, exactly. Sometimes one or two of them will Reply to a “help me!” thread, if no one else has, but they don’t seem to feel an obligation to say anything.

MB #3: A fairly large noisy MB, whose mods are also completely invisible. They never move threads, or lock spam threads, either. Fortunately everybody on this MB is jes’ naturally polite, so no Pit-style fistfights ever need to be broken up. One wonders what would happen if they did.

MB #4: A large, very noisy, very quarrelsome MB, with a lot of trolls. There’s a lot of good hobbyist information, and a lot of good discussion with neat people, if you can remember not to feed the trolls, so after the SDMB, it’s actually my favorite MB. However, the moderators have no clue how to “moderate”; when a Pit-style fist fight erupts, there is much ineffectual hand-wringing, with the occasional threat of banning from the administration, but nothing is ever done. Multiple user names abound, and are used in combat.

MB #5: Another very small, quiet MB, with moderators listed, but as with MB #2, not in evidence, not even to answer a “help me!” question when no one else will. There are advertising and spam threads all over the place; in some forums, there are more ad threads than real threads.

All of these message boards have their good points, which is why I patronize them. But the overall lack of moderation, especially when compared to the caliber of moderation that takes place at the SDMB, is profoundly frustrating. I’ve been sitting there many times, on MB #4, with small-arms fire rattling all around me, wondering where the mods were. And it’s irritating to see the spam threads just sitting there, and the threads in the wrong forums.

And no, I’m not making these up. I give thanks, daily, devoutly, for the Straight Dope Message Board.

I’d guess the original terms owe more than a little to their being thought up by our forefather geeks, but I would love to see a movie series featuring some of the great stuff you get around here:

full blown spamming
troll infestations
sock puppets
incessant flame wars

Star Wars II: the flame wars. Better? Better. As for full-blown spamming, one can only imagine…

beatle, the board I referred to is the message board at wordsmith.org. If you are interested in language, give it a go.