Michael is turning eight.

Those of you who know me know that I stopped attending, and professing belief in, the Mormon Church two years ago. Those of you who don’t know me so well are invited to search up the “Church for Atheists” thread I posted last year for a slightly condensed account of my departure from Mormonism, and the reasons behind it.

At any rate, until a few months ago, my leaving the faith of my upbringing was largely an internal exercise: partly mental; partly emotional; partly, for lack of a better word, spiritual; but almost entirely personal in its origin and its repurcussions. Until this year, that is. This is the year my oldest son, Michael, will turn eight - soon, in fact; June 11 - and be eligible for baptism into the Church. As such, his Sunday School class this year focuses heavily on preparation for baptism, the reasons for it, and the covenant it is supposed to entail. For the average LDS child, raised in the Church, baptism is a time for celebration. For Mike, it’s his first encounter with the hard reality that his dad is not a part of the church he attends. For me, it’s the first time I’ve had to confront the fact that my decision to leave the Church has effects outside of myself.

In the past two years, I’ve been extremely careful not to undermine or contradict what my ex-wife is doing in taking the kids to Church. Now, however, the time has come when even my four year old asks why I don’t go to Church. Michael is distressed; he knows that boys are supposed to be baptized by their dads, and he senses that that is not going to be the case for him. It hurts my heart to see how much it upsets him. Two Sundays ago he cried because I wasn’t going to Church with him. I know very well how badly eight year old boys want to not be different from their friends, and I know that being baptized by the bishop or some other man from church will make him different in a painfully obvious way. I want to spare him this pain so badly that I considered, for a time, doing whatever was necessary to be able to baptize him myself.

I realized that would have been the cowardly course of action, merely postponing a reckoning that will have to come sooner or later. If not now, when would it take place? When Michael was about to turn twelve, and receive the priesthood? When one of the other kids was about to be baptized? No, I owe it to myself to stand by my conscience, even now that it hurts. More than that, I owe it to Michael. My son deserves to know how I feel and think. I look back on my own upbringing, on how I never had that flash of inspiration, that burning in the bosom, that is supposed to signify the truth of Mormon belief. I wanted so, so badly to believe, and when I couldn’t force myself to believe, I turned the blame back on myself over and over. For so much of my childhood, and especially my adolescence, I lived under the weight of knowing that I’d never be good enough. That my lack of faith was because I wasn’t living worthily to receive a witness from God, wasn’t praying hard enough, or wasn’t listening to the Holy Ghost. Until I was 15, I honestly believed that everyone else at church was feeling something that I wasn’t party to, because I was somehow unworthy of it or insensitive to it. I played along because I was terrified other people would realize it, realize that I didn’t belong, that I wasn’t one of the good ones.

How badly, now, do I wish that someone had taken me by both shoulders and told me that it was all right not to believe. It would have to have been someone very close to me; even my best friends, who were non-Mormon and seemingly happy, didn’t register with me. I think it would have to have been one of my parents. Knowing now that my mom never really believed in Mormonism either, but went along for 25 years because of deference to my dad, I’m overcome by sympathy and compassion for her, but even more overcome with bitterness. How could she not have told me? What difference might it have made for me to know that I could be a good person, a worthwhile person, without pretending to feel what everyone else felt? I wish Mom had had the courage to put her Buddhist beliefs out there for her children to learn about and experience. I wish Dad had had the confidence in his own beliefs to allow her to do so. Maybe I would have embraced them. Maybe I would have rejected them - I do now, in large part. But I would have known without a doubt that two good people, who loved each other and loved me, could believe different things about God. That knowledge is what I owe my own children, and it starts with Michael, this month.

In Mormon belief, eight is the “age of accountability,” when a child can finally determine right and wrong using his or her own conscience and inspiration. I’ll pick up that gauntlet. I plan to take Michael aside, away from his mother and brother and sisters. Without tearing down his mother’s religion, but without mincing words either, I plan to tell him why I won’t be baptizing him. I intend that he come away with a full understanding of what is happening and why, but more importantly, I will make certain he knows that I love him no matter what he chooses to believe or do in life.

sigh

Wish me luck? :frowning:

Good Luck.

And I think it is a very good thing that you are not “faking it” for your son.

Luck, and caution.

By all means, tell him what you told us. But don’t tell him he can’t or won’t feel “the spark”; make it clear that *you *didn’t. Tell him he might or he might not, and that either one is okay and you’ll love him and support him in every way you can (without risking your own integrity, of course) whichever way he decides to go. Tell him if he doesn’t feel it and wants to pretend for a while to see if it happens or to keep his mom and friends happy, that’s okay, he can be honest with you and you’ll keep his secret as long as he needs you to. (If, of course, that’s true.)

I agree with everything said. Will it be a difficult conversation? Very likely. But it’s the right thing to do.

Good luck! Sounds like you’re doing the right thing in the right way.

And…what WhyNot said…

GT

ditto other posters. I’m sending all my sympathy and good wishes your way.

What a tough thing to go through. Are you telling his mother that you’re talking with him? What are her feelings about you sharing your feelings with him?

I think it’s great that you’re going to explain your stance. I don’t think I’d want to tell my kid that I’ll keep his secret from his mother if he doesn’t feel the spark; I’d tell him that he doesn’t need to lie to anyone about his feelings and that his mom and dad will always love him regardless of his religious beliefs. I hope his mom will allow him to be who he is if it turns out he’s not a mormon. Good luck. Your son is lucky to have you.

Thanks to everyone who has responded, with well-wishes as well as advice. I don’t know yet what I’m going to tell him about his own feelings, or lack thereof. I’ll post an update once I have the talk with him.

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that’s one of those parent things that I don’t think anyone else can decide for you. And it could go either way.

I’d have a good long talk with your son. Make sure he knows you love him unconditionally.

If he REALLY wants you to be there for the right reasons for him, I’d take a second think about it. There’s what’s important for you and what’s important for him, and sometimes that’s a painful contradiction…

Best of luck. :slight_smile: And good for you for being honest with him.

Ex-Mormon. I wasn’t baptised by my dad, but he was a recovering alcoholic and not really involved in the church at the time-- just sent us with another family-- so I was pretty aware that my family failed in a great many Mormony standards so getting baptised by some elder wasn’t that traumatizing (don’t even remember who it was-- the baptism itself was terrifying). I think what I would be most concerned about is that he’s not going to understand your lack of faith until he’s ready, and until then he’s going to be terrified for your eternal soul. He might be too young to get the nuances. I think my dad evaded it all by saying that “he didn’t feel worthy enough to take sacrament” etc etc and we’d just sort of back off of pressuring him into coming to church. Could you attend the baptism as a witness and take some of the sting out?
Now I’m trying to remember. . . I was 11 maybe when I was baptised-- a late convert-- and I remember being afraid of hell and sinning, but always feeling like I was lacking some certainty about everything else that everyone else seemed to be enjoying. I think my early childhood had been rough enough that the platitudes that they were discussing in Sunday School just seemed sort of corny. . . “‘Families will be together forever’ my ass!” thinks the child of nasty divorce.
I digress. Good luck with your son. You might try a bit of negotiation to a middle ground for his sake. You know there’s no God, but you’re an adult. He doesn’t, and he’s a little kid. I don’t (and didn’t) think 9 is old enough to get it all, regardless of what the church said, and I remember being terrified because of it, because my environment outside of church had been grey-scale enough to know that black and white and sin and good weren’t quite so obviously defined. Don’t make the same sketchy assumption that the church does and lay something way to heavy on him.

As the father of an eight-year-old boy, I can understand what a difficult position you are in. You are doing the right thing, hard thought it may be. I’m sure it will be tough, but your little guy might surprise you and be much more understanding that you expect.

Good luck

Reading the history that you describe I wouldn’t be at all surprised, in fact I might go as far as to say I think it likely, that your son will reject the church once he’s old enough to do so. Your doing this will then be understandable to him. And if he does reject the church, when he reaches maturity (most likely when he has children of his own) he’ll look back and be full of admiration for the stand you took, way back when he was eight.

I hope that helps. I could be dead wrong of course…

OneCent, that’s tough. Obviously I know how big of a deal it is, and maybe even more so than the average Joe Mormon (not to be confused with a Jack Mormon :wink: ) since I was the 4th child born with in 3 1/2 years. My older brother was baptised first, and started fasting on the first Sunday each month, as well as all the other rituals which go along. I still remember what time it was when I was baptised.

Families are a huge deal for Mormons, and I broke up with one girl friend once and was broken up with another time by a Mormon because I wouldn’t change my stance. I remember as a child one of the neighbors whose father wasn’t active. The girl, who was my older brother’s age would get up in many fast and testimony meetings talking about how much she wanted her father to be active.

I agree with you that you if you can’t do it, you can’t do it, and going through the motions to make you kid happy is not a good idea. Not having children of my own, you will know much more about what is appropriate and what isn’t, and I’m sure you will use a level of explanation which he can handle.

I just went back and read your story. Well expressed and makes a lot of sence to this exMormon.

Best of luck with what unfortunately could be a difficult task.

FWIW I was raised Christian and strongly believed it, took confirmation way early, and the whole deal. I felt upset and betrayed when I lost my faith but none moreso than when my mother told me she’d never really believed in the literal truth of any of it but thought it was the right thing to do socially.

Still kind of mad about that.

So with all the caveats mentioned above about age and appropriateness, by all means be honest with your child

OneCentStamp,

IIRC (and I’m pretty sure I do), the baptism won’t be held without the consent of both parents. Since your son wishes to go through with it, your wife wishes him to go through with it, and you don’t seem to have a problem with it, why not discuss this issue with their Bishop? He could suggest–or have you suggest–a Priesthood holder to perform the Baptism. As you know, a Priest in the Aaronic Priesthood may peform the ordinance. Maybe one of the neighbor teens? And for the Confirmation, perhaps the Home Teacher. That’s assuming that no other close relative of your son is eligible to perform the ceremony, of course.

Personally, I think more Baptisms should be performed by the Aaronic Priests. In my current ward we only have one Priest and we’re looking forward to when the next candidate turns 16. Then they’ll be the ones to bless the Sacrament. Why shouldn’t we encourage people to have him perform the ceremony if a close relative isn’t eligible?

When I was a student at UC-Davis, one of my Home-Teaching families was composed of an LDS (the wife), a non-LDS (the husband) and their baby girl. The husband asked for me to bless & name the baby and for the Bishopric to join me in the circle. The Bishop said he thought hubby was going to ask for the Bishop to do the blessing! The hubby’s family–quite vocal critics of the LDS Church, by the way–came for the ceremony and were thrilled by it. And they were happy to see a friend of the family (that would be I) peform the ceremony.

As for taking your son aside, I like your explanation. Essentially it’s “I’m not a member of the church because I follow another way of believing. Your mother is raising you the way she believes is right and I support her because I want you to be happy. This is a special day for you and I want it to stay special for you. That’s why you’re going to be Baptized by Brother XYZ (or Bishop ABC or Uncle DEF or whoever) and confirmed by Bro. Blah-Blah. I’m going to be there to see it just like I am for your Little League games!” (Please don’t laugh at the little league comment; for my nephews it seems quite often that the sports games were more important than their first communion (they’re not LDS either) so I bet he’ll both understand and appreciate it.)

without having read any of this thread beyond the op, (and sorry if i am repeating what may have already been said,) i would suggest that you explain to your child (assuming you speak to him in terms he can understand) all you can about what you do & do not believe… why you do & do not believe such & so forth; and that he is free to believe or disbelieve, to participate or not participate, in the church/religion/religious community as much or as little as makes sense to him.

that he is free to make up his own mind, and to change it over time as he sees fit, and no matter what if that may be, your love for him as a father to son, and your respect for him as an individual, will never vary.

and after you explain this to him, live up to it, even if his choices are ones you would not make. be disappointed if you have to. but always love & respect him for who he is.