Wasn’t he spending a lot of time training/preparing for his show though?
ETA: MSNBCsays he probably developed bed sores in '05.
Do bed sores last that long? Wouldn’t they heal? Yick!
I don’t know. I would hope so. Creepy. Makes you want to re-think that long Sunday morning lie in…
Still had them after four years? That shit ain’t right.
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Shodan
No kidding! WTF?
I don’t know. It’s weird. It doesn’t really make sense that he would have them from spending a lot of time in bed this year, though, I don’t think. Every thing I read about him just gets weirder and weirder.
If you are seeing patients today, you’ve probably encountered a drug seeker today.
I know I have.
Bed sores can be very, very, very challenging to heal. Especially if there are nutritional issues.
And he was extremely thin, wasn’t he? I don’t know how much exactly he weighed, but it was most likely much thinner than a man his height should have been.
Isn’t it odd that when a junkie on the street overdoses they call him “scum” but when a junkie who is famous and rich enough to buy off a doctor or go doctor shopping he’s a victim.
And it’s not just Jackson, think Elvis, Heath Leader, and a whole host of others.
I don’t see how Jackson is different from the junkies in the park and how the doctor is any different from the other pushers that hang out there.
I don’t care what anyone says, everyone was constantly making excuses for Jackson, he was 50 years old, he knew better and what’s worse unlike the junkie in the park of the one tooth crack whore, down the street, Jackson had the means to get help and chose not to. Those poor people have no options.
I have compassion for people with problems but compassion like anything can be misplaced.
And it’s not just Jackson, but c’mon it’s time to stop making excuses for him like he was some sort of middle aged baby, who had no concept of what was going on in the world. He knew he just thought he was above it or chose to ignore it.
I think it’s sad when anyone is addicted to drugs. A junkie on the street may or may not be a great human being but I don’t view him or anyone as scum just for being an addict.
Oh, that makes more sense then. I knew they could be infuriatingly persistent but had no idea that lousy nutrition would be an exacerbating factor.
I don’t know who “they” are, but many of “us” don’t automatically assume street junkies are scum or rich junkies are victims. Many of us can also see that it’s possible for two or more people to share responsibility for an event. If I ask someone to shoot me, in most circumstances the one who pulls the trigger is still legally and morally responsibility for the act.
All these revelations about MJ’s poor health and drug addiction make me wonder just how well he would’ve performed on his upcoming World Tour…if at all.
I’m of the opinion MJ had no intention of living to make it to the tour. He wanted to go out like his idol, on the eve of a very large-scale comeback tour.
incidental said:
CNN did a demo today. They went to an operating room and the docs used propofol to sedate the patient, and almost immediately had to start manual respiration.
Argent Towers said:
This is an interesting assertion. I don’t know if you’re just being facetious, but that might explain why it took 1 hr 20 mins to call -911. The doc needed time to ensure to recovery was possible, as well as dilute his tracks.
spifflog said:
Eh, stupidity of the client is no excuse for malpractice or negligence on the part of the doctor. That’s why the doctor has to go to medical school and has to get a license. So unless the death was intentional on MJ’s part, ultimately he was just suffering from pain, insomnia, and a lack of anyone enforcing rules. It’s the doctor’s JOB to say no when the requested action is too dangerous.
Qadgop the Mercotan said:
I’m wondering why this would be. I mean, I suppose one has to lie down every night, which could prevent proper healing (continued irritation). Does clothing help irritate it?
Poor nutrition just impedes healing, period. Your body needs to have the proper nutrients and proteins around to repair tissue.
Most normal people periodically move around, when sitting or standing. They flip over, change positions, move their arms and legs. This keeps blood from pooling in one place and prevents pressure sores from forming. You probably don’t even consciously realize you are doing this. Most people are not at risk from bed sores - you usually see them in people with conditions that prevent them from moving (paralysis, surgery, stroke, coma, etc.). I don’t know what role clothing would play in it, it’s nothing I’ve heard discussed before.
A good doctor should know what his or her limits are. You tend to be good at stuff you do frequently. A primary care doc probably wouldn’t be great at anesthesia meds because how often does one walk around giving general anesthesia to people outside of an OR or ER?
Not to start a wild rumor about Michael Jackson (heaven forfend!), but do you think someone was keeping him sedated in semi-hibernation for some period of time? That would explain the persistent bedsores.
I have had propofol twice in the past year. Apparently it is not necessarily “general anesthesia.” I specifically recall the last time they told me it was not considered general, the difference being that I would be breathing on my own. Once was for an endoscopy and once for minor surgery. It doesn’t have any euphoric effects. It’s like “lights off/ lights on.” Very fast acting and also very fast clearing. And both times it was administered by anesthesiologists, not the doctors.
A doctor doesn’t need a prescription to purchase prescription drugs. The public needs a prescription from a doctor to purchase prescription drugs. Doctors don’t usually purchase drugs from pharmacies, however, they usually purchase from medical suppliers. So, for a doctor to get Rx drugs from a pharmacy, all he needs to provide is his state medical license number. Propofol is not a controlled substance. A DEA# is not needed to purchase it, just a state license.
My question in that regard is, though, what was a pharmacy doing with Propofol? it isn’t prescribed to the public, either. Unless it’s part of a hospital, maybe.
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It doesn’t have any euphoric effects. It’s like “lights off/ lights on.” Very fast acting and also very fast clearing. And both times it was administered by anesthesiologists, not the doctors.
Minor gripe: anesthesiologists are doctors. Otherwise, I completely agree - propofol doesn’t have euphoric effects (to the best of my knowledge), that’s why it’s so weird that it’d be a target of abuse.
I have no idea what a pharmacy would be doing with propofol - now that you point that out, it’s a good question. It’s not like people walk around prescribing it willy-nilly. Seems to me like most outpatient pharmacies wouldn’t stock it - if an actual pharmacist wants to speak up though, I’d be fascinated to hear the answer.
I’m not sure what you mean with the first half of your response though…medical supplier? Most outpatient docs I’ve worked with just write a prescription and direct patients towards CVS or Walgreens. Inpatient docs usually have access to the hospital pharmacy, which I suppose buys drugs from a medical supplier. I’ve never heard of a private doc buying directly from a medical supplier. I could be wrong though…