Is this a whoosh? She misspelled one word in that post, and only a few in the others. Pretty comprehensible. Far from the worst I’ve seen on this board. On the other hand, that last post was unreadable…
I don’t think MJ is a pedophile either, but it’s not outside of the realm of possibility. Both Abby and Dio are taking ridiculously extreme positions on this. Hope y’all have your life insurance premiums paid up! 
I was being facetious. It’s such an empty bit of bluster to declare that you would bet your life on something that no one has any chance of disproving (and which you would never have to pay up on anyway), that I thought why the hell not see her on her bet. We’re both all in on a hand for which we’ll never see a flop.
He totally DID jack those kids off, though.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that was a whoosh Hippy Hollow.
As for Joe, I heard him quoted today on the radio saying something like “It’s too bad people didn’t show Michael how much they loved him when he was alive”. I was like HUH??? Michael has never had a shortage of people telling him and showing him how much they love him, whether it’s fans, friends or family (Janet). Where has Joe been all this time??
I’m not surprised Joe came across as cold and distant at the BET awards. It’s not like he’s well known as an eloquent public speaker. I can give him a little benefit of the doubt that it was difficult for him to find the right words.
Then again, it could just be that he is a callous media whore.
I mean this with 100% sincerity and concern—are you OK? And that’s not a comment on your spelling, but I notice a few things—one, that you’re getting less comprehensible as the thread goes on; two, that you’re taking this very hard—staking your life on his innocence; and three, that you’re now talking about him as though he is still alive. It just strikes me, all of it.
Yeah, this is happening on another board I frequent. I guess MJ really did have his followers.
You should never drink the bong water.
one reason i didn’t want mrs jackson to gain custody is because of mr jackson. she knew how he was treating the children and did nothing. why should she get a chance at the grandchildren. hopefully big sister rebbe will step up.
i’m not liking the way joe jackson said that we can take care the of the children and give them the education they need. i’m not fond of a man whose idea of education is using a board of education.
he is quoted as saying he never beat his children because he didn’t use a stick. he just belted them with a belt or whipped them with a switch. sooo much better.
Joe should have read some of the Michael Jackson fan boards. God, those people were CRAZY. Remember that one guy, BJ something or other? Scar-eee.
It’s too bad his sister Rebbie can’t take the kids. She seems pretty normal.
Agreed, though you do have to question the sanity of a woman who let her husband beat her kids into a pulp every day for years, making Michael what he became in every possible way.
True…I guess I’m just thinking compared to say, Joe himself or Debbie Rowe. All in all, I suppose it’s not really the most normal cast of characters.
Oh, I agree she’s seemingly the best option. She’s who they know and Michael loved her dearly. Plus, they’ll still be around cousins, aunts, uncles, etc.
There’s some fluffy article in the LA Times about how Mom Jackson and Jacko were BFFs, which at one point states Mom Jacko “could grow icy and unforgiving with anyone she felt might harm her children.” Except Joe, though. He was cool.
Two payoffs to kids families and 2 trials. just a lot of bad luck there ,isn’t it? Pure coincidence.
Na, my understanding is that while she put up with it for years, she finally did explode on him after they moved to LA, which is what supposedly led to his cheating, then her kicking him out. At some point, she finally put her foot down and told him to stop beating the kids.
Of course, too little too late, sure. When the biggest entertainer in the world- at the height of his career- would get physically ill because his dad would show up at a show. Sick.
It wasn’t that unusual to be beaten with belts and hit with sticks and switches in those days. The problem was that some parents didn’t know when to stop and then took it too far and they took out their unrelated anger on their children. And they did it when the other parent wasn’t around to see. I’m glad this practice has mostly stopped now. I was terribly abused by my mother who was and is mentally ill and very cruel.
I won’t speak directly about Michael or Joe, but please don’t judge people’s grief by the way they react after someone in the family has died. I practically acted like a hostess at the funeral home and at the house when my father died. At the funeral I did not cry at all – nor at the burial. I was in such a fog and the grief was too overwhelming. But when I finally hit the wall, nothing has ever hurt like that. I still mourn him.
I think the matter is more that when one looks at the history of Joe Jackson, then this. . . yeah, together, he’s kind of undeniably a dick. He didn’t just beat his kids relentlessly (like I said, his adult son used to get physically ill if he’d show up at a show), he also did things like tell Michael he was ugly (adding to his body dismorphia,no doubt) and fuck prostitutes and make his young son watch, so he’d become a man. To the beatings- just because every one did it, doesn’t mean he – and everyone who participated in such things- are any less disgusting people. I’m so sorry you had to suffer through that. 
Joe Jackson is scum. Sure, not everyone gets all outwardly sad when faced with death, but any decent person would not use the forum to promote their record label. When it was brought up later that he completely fucked up at the BET Awards, the man held a press conference. . .where he again spent the entire time talking about his record label. A+, Joe.
It wasn’t universal, either - my sisters and I are in the same age range as the Jackson 5 kids and somehow my parents managed to raise us without feeling a need to hit us. Even back in the 1960’s Joe Jackson’s “discipline” was seen as excessive by the neighbors - who have been speaking about Joe Jackson’s abusive behavior for four decades and more now. But, of course, being poor black folks from Gary not much heed has been paid to them. But if you doubt, go ask them yourself - many of those same people are still living on the same street in the same neighborhood. In other words “everyone else was doing it” is not sufficient to excuse what the man did to his kids.
michael jackson showed his thoughts on his father as there is no mention of him in the will.
you do feel for the guy as no doubt through out all his life all he wanted was for his dad to say something anything positive. even in death his father couldn’t say anything personal about his son. from his remarks you wouldn’t even know they were related.