Michael Moore is a Dishonest Hack

It’s the direction they’re headed. They’ve been pushing for state laws that overrule the private property rights of restaurant owners and the like, and have been successful in some states.

At least, I’d consider overruling the property owner’s right to say, “you’re welcome here, but your gun isn’t” an overruling of private property rights. YMMV.

That’s a sticky question–it’s going to boil down to the fact that at least some NRA folks think (due to the language of the 2nd Amendment) that saying “Your gun is not welcome here” as a private property rights is nearly the same as “Your skin color is not welcome here” as a private property right.

I don’t know how I feel about this at all, personally, but it’s at least in the same vicinity as logical in the case of public spaces and businesses.

Well, that’s kind of sticky. A restaurant isn’t exactly a private space, but it isn’t exactly a public one. For example, as **Zeriel **alluded, I could refuse to allow Black people into my home, but not into my restaurant. Why should I be able to restrict someone from bringing in an item that they’re legally allowed to have in public? On the other hand, a gun is very different from, say, a handbag. So, I’m not sure where I fall on this one.

Ok, you made me chuckle.

I’m legally allowed to have a car, you know. Better open those restaurant doors real wide.

“President Michelle Obama is coming to take your guns!”

There are a few arguments here; however, that’s damn funny, I don’t care who you are. :smiley:

When I said I wanted to open a drive-in restaurant, that wasn’t what I meant.

Serious answer now: if I have a properly concealed handgun, you will never know I’m carrying it. This is not true of your Miata.

Ditto with C4.

Realistically, I’m not afraid of either one being used on me in a restaurant in a concealed-carry state. Also realistically, one’s legal (and generally requires a license) and the other is not.

“So, is that a convertible in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?”
“It’s a convertible.”
“… Oh.”
“But that wasn’t the top that just popped up.”

But suppose it’s not concealed?

Although apparently if you’re going to open-carry in Virginia restaurants, you’d better do so between now and the end of the month, because the law’s about to change.

So why bother bringing either into a restaurant. And why is C4 not protected under the 2nd amendment?

Given the realistic threat of intimidation, I’m (and this revokes my gun-supporter cred, I’m sure) iffy on open carry in public places.

First question: I’m on my way home from the shooting range or a competition, I don’t have an appropriate safe in my car, and I want to eat something that’s not from a drive-thru. This, by the way, covers 100% of the times I’ve been armed in a restaurant. No one gave any indication they knew I was armed.

Second question: I’m enough of a military dork and realist that I am quite happy to distinguish between “arms” (which connotes “personal infantry weapons” to me) and “ordnance” (which connotes explosives, multi-crew weapons, and generally the heavy hitting stuff that is more “regular army” than “citizen’s militia”). One’s mentioned in the Second Amendment, one’s not. I don’t particularly care if that’s a founding-fathers-kosher position, because it makes sense to me.

Out of curiosity, I’ve been flipping through the relevant Florida Statutes on the matter, and it appears that I may openly carry a sword, should I wish to do so, provided I don’t exhibit it in a rude, angry, careless or threatening manner. Or visit a school or other place of public nuisance.

This opens interesting possibilities.

You know, that ban on dueling? Maybe time to re-think that. If two guys want to go outside and settle this man-to-man, its going to eventually cut down on the testosterone poisoned assholes, and elide them from the gene pool.

Of course, ten paces may be a bit much. Two, three paces. Cuts down on collateral damage, ensure more genetic cleansing.

I’d be less worried about intimidation and more worried about some well meaning idiot “helping” by shooting at someone or something he has no business shooting at.

I suggest a brightly colored ribbon tied in a pretty bow on the handle. That sounds polite to me!

Needs more Tina Turner in a chain mail bikini.

This is another very good reason that open carry should rightly be considered more dangerous than concealed carry and if possible regulated more–I wouldn’t be averse to requiring the type of holsters that require a specific quick movement pattern to draw or the gun remains locked into place–forget what they’re called technically.

Sadly, in my high school days, when everyone else was goth, I was actually carrying a sword in public for the “style” value. Pretty sure it wasn’t actually legal–equally sure that I knew all the cops in my hometown and environs and they knew I was approximately as harmless as soggy toast.

I think you’re misunderstanding the link. The law banning concealed carry in restaurants/bars is repealed effective July 1. I had a thread about it around the time the bastard we have in Richmond signed the bill.