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My only complaint was the best invective he could come up with was “Shame on you.”
Let’s focus on the remarks and their appropriateness (since you can bash Mike any day).
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My only complaint was the best invective he could come up with was “Shame on you.”
Let’s focus on the remarks and their appropriateness (since you can bash Mike any day).
The remarks were outrageous - especially to be uttered in public in wartime.
But Hollywood surprised me. There wasn’t just a smattering of boos. He was literally booed off the stage. People were shouting at him. Good for them. Moore went too far even for Hollywood.
And then Steve Martin came out and said, “Michael Moore has been stuffed into the trunk of his car by the teamsters”, and the audience laughed uproariously.
Well, you gotta say one thing: the guy is consistent. If the Oscar producers weren’t expecting this, they’re fools. Mind-numbed by all of the insipid “I’d like to thank my manager . . .” speeches, it was the most humourous moment of the evening. I do agree with you, **errata, ** that he could have come up with something a bit more pithy, which leads me to believe he must have done this on the spur-of-the-moment, or was not prepared because he didn’t think he’d win.
That said, I thought it very nice that he invited all of the other nominees up onto the stage with him.
I was watching as he spoke and cringed. You see, I actually whole-heartedly agree with him. Unfortunately, I believe that the venue was completely inappropriate and thus made him look class-challenged.
I do applaud the whole ‘fictitious’ sentiments…
What did you think of Susan Sarandon’s peace sign? (Sly little thing!) LOL!
—The remarks were outrageous - especially to be uttered in public in wartime.—
Do you seriously believe this? That’s more outrageous than Moore, which is a real stretch.
It was inappropriate because the night had nothing to do with him and his views, and no one planned the show or tuned in to hear his opinions.
While I did find Moore very entertaining, I found Adrien Brody wildly endearing and quite ballsy after he slobbed Halle Berry down with her husband sitting in the front row!
—The remarks were outrageous - especially to be uttered in public in wartime.—
Do you seriously believe this? That’s more outrageous than Moore, which is a real stretch.
It was inappropriate because the night had nothing to do with him and his views, and no one planned the show or tuned in to hear his opinions.
The remarks themselves were certainly not outrageous to utter during wartime. What a silly, silly thing to say. The President should be subject to criticism in times of war and peace. The United States is a free country, and its freedom partially relies on strenous dissent and questioning of authority. God forbid people stop criticizing during war - the President would always want to fight wars.
But Moore hijacking an awards ceremony to drone on about his political opinions was extremely rude and ungentlemanly. As I mentioned in another thread, do you think Moore would be okay with it if you interrupted his daughter’s wedding to rant about Saddam Hussein, or if you interrupted a screening of his newest film to rant about Bill Clinton’s lying? Somehow I think he’d not look too kindly on it if YOU interrupted HIS event with your personal political axe-grinding.
It would have been a classless, stupid act no matter what political bone he ranted about. There is a time and a place for everything, and that wasn’t it.
When you win an Oscar you have pretty much 45 seconds to talk about whatever you want. It’s a public forum, and the people who win the awards know that. People were expecting something like this from MM before the show and everyone connected said they wouldn’t place any restrictions or limitations on anyones speach.
I disliked what he said, but I certainly defend his right to say it then and there.
Did I say I wanted him censored? I said his remarks were outrageous. That they were. And when you have outrageous things to say, such as a president in wartime is fictitious and was elected in a fictitious election, you ought not to be uttering them in front of the world.
This shit has consequences. Iraqi media will love it. It might stiffen Iraqi opposition, which in the end will cause more people to be killed.
He has a right to say it. He’s an asshole for saying it.
aw, c’mon it’s the oscars. Which are monstrously boring IMO. This spiced things up quite a bit.
If you disagree with him that’s fine, criticize his comments. I don’t think the Oscars are really all that holy. And fer cryin’ out loud, all most of us have to do is watch the war on tv. If it comes up during the oscars, well, that’s a heck of a lot better than getting your house bombed.
Are you whooshing me?
What a perfect liberal strawman.
Well, The BBC reported Cheers and boos for Moore and that indeed was my impression. I see that the American media reports are just concentrating on the boos, THE American liberal media?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2867797.stm
I can see it now.
Scene: dawn in the desert. Iraqi commander reads the newspaper.
Commander: “WOOOO HOO! Hey, Achmed! Mohammed! Guess what?! Michael Moore disagreed with the war at the Oscars! It’s the sign we’ve been waiting for!”
Achmed: “Wonderful! This gives me all the support I need to kill more Americans!”
Mohammed: “Yeah, I was about to surrender, but, shoot, if * Michael Moore * is against the war, then I’m prepared to fight on!”
I wonder if the other nominees that he invited up on stage knew that they were going to be included by Moore in his little rant? Wonder if they agreed?
In any event, he’s free to say whatever he wants, it’s just a self-important awards show. It’s really par for the course from him anyway. I was actually surprised he did any of the standard “I’d like to thank…” stuff at all.
C’mon, Sam, you can’t possibly really believe this, can you? I HAVE to believe you smarter than THAT.
I mean, it’s something I wouldn’t be surprised to see december say, but otherwise…
Sorry, I think it’s irresponsible. And apparently I’m not alone. He was booed off the stage by an audience which by and large has no love for George Bush.
I couldn’t be bothered to watch such tripe. However, can I assume from your comment (and other people’s like it) that Moore was the only person who commented on the war? Nobody else even expressed support for the troops – he was the only one who even brought up the subject?
Thanks for the plug, Leaper.
Are you disputing whether public speech like Moore’s has impact at all? Or are you disputing Sam Stone’s prediction of certain negative consequences?
I’m sure you believe that speech is important. ISTM one ought to acknowledge that statements by opinion leaders can have negative as well as positive consequences.
Liar. He was not booed offstage. I suspect you didn’t even watch the awards and are just quoting RNC press releases to us.