[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip]
well, sure. What do you expect from liberals?
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It’s not just the liberals, there’s plenty on my side of the fence who act the same way, for different reasons. I posted about how disgusted I was with a woman at my work who was happy about the hostage situation at the Clinton campaign headquarters, and I am no fan of Hilary.
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It’s no biggie, I’ve been on the internet a while and I’m used to being called a subhuman by liberals for not being politically correct. It just reinforces my beliefs about how a certain percentage of the population likes to dehumanize those they disagree with.
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That wasn’t the point. We’ve got rules about which forum one can post specific insults to other posters and CS isn’t it.
[QUOTE=C K Dexter Haven]
I agree, in re-reading, that I was perhaps a bit too harsh on T.O. in assuming that he would know that shooting stray cats with a BB gun or braining them with a slingshot is illegal. I probably should not have said “Play by the rules,” I should have said “These are the rules, and your question is not within them.” I was rushed when I was writing my post, and I sort of assumed that most people would know that cruelty to animals is generally illegal.
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But it is ok to directly insult someone outside of the Pit, correct?
[QUOTE=Flyhalf]
But it is ok to directly insult someone outside of the Pit, correct?
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Nobody directly insulted anyone in that thread. Opal’s post was stupid, to be sure, and arguably not appropriate for the forum. But, I can’t really see a direct insult there. I’m sure you can read one in there if you dig deep enough between the lines, but then you’re making an assumption of what you think the poster meant, rather than taking the post at face value.
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.]
Nobody directly insulted anyone in that thread. Opal’s post was stupid, to be sure, and arguably not appropriate for the forum. But, I can’t really see a direct insult there. I’m sure you can read one in there if you dig deep enough between the lines, but then you’re making an assumption of what you think the poster meant, rather than taking the post at face value.
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I don’t want to stir anything up, but you are being intellectually dishonest. Consider this post:
“I am overcome with an urge to vomit. Sometimes I really wish that certain sub-species of humanity never made it past the evolutionary process. I hope to god I never meet you or anyone like you. [Addressed to Q.E.D., who sickens me on every possible level.]”
Wouldn’t you see that as a direct insult? “You sicken me on every possible level, I hope to god I never meet you or anyone like you”?
[QUOTE=T.O.]
Wouldn’t you see that as a direct insult? “You sicken me on every possible level, I hope to god I never meet you or anyone like you”?
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Not really, no. It says more about the author of the post than its subject, if you ask me.
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.]
Not really, no. It says more about the author of the post than its subject, if you ask me.
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I feel that you are stupid and disinegenuous to continue to claim that her post was not a personal insult.
Does the “I feel” make that big of a difference?
See, those are two different things. In your post, you’re expressing a specific opinion of me or my character: I’m stupid; I’m disingenuous. But saying “you make me sick” doesn’t really do that. I see it as expressing a distaste of you or your actions, but it doesn’t really say anything about you, one way or the other.
Please note, I’m not defending her or her opinion; see my previous post for my feelings in that regard.
[QUOTE=C K Dexter Haven]
I agree, in re-reading, that I was perhaps a bit too harsh on T.O. in assuming that he would know that shooting stray cats with a BB gun or braining them with a slingshot is illegal. I probably should not have said “Play by the rules,” I should have said “These are the rules, and your question is not within them.” I was rushed when I was writing my post, and I sort of assumed that most people would know that cruelty to animals is generally illegal.
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You have my full respect for this paragraph (not that the going rate for my full respect will make you richer or anything, but still). It is not every day that we see a mod acknowledging the possibility of them making a mistake.
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[QUOTE=Q.E.D.]
See, those are two different things. In your post, you’re expressing a specific opinion of me or my character: I’m stupid; I’m disingenuous. But saying “you make me sick” doesn’t really do that. I see it as expressing a distaste of you or your actions, but it doesn’t really say anything about you, one way or the other.
Please note, I’m not defending her or her opinion; see my previous post for my feelings in that regard.
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I think that “you sicken me” means the same thing as “you disgust me”, which I would see as an opinion on me or my character. Why would another person make you sick unless you had a strong opinion of their character (or hygiene, but that can’t be relevant in this case)? She didn’t say “people killing cats makes me sick” or even “what you do makes me sick” or even just “people like you make me sick”. She said “you sicken me”.
[QUOTE=catsix]
It costs a person with a feral cat problem significantly more money to trap the cats alive and take them to the pound. Adult feral cats are not exactly going to get adopted, and the pound doesn’t just take them off your hands for free.
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Yeah, this isn’t true. There are programs in some places that capture, spay/neuter, and re-release ferals back into their colonies, which presumably will diminish over time. These programs actually have a greater reductive effect on feral populations than capturing them and euthanizing them. Also, these programs involve caregivers who feed them, which keeps them away from people like T.O., since truly feral cats actually don’t want to be near people, but are forced to enter populated areas by hunger. Thus, safe to say these programs are a good idea.
Ferals also can be adopted. People with farms and barns come in to the shelter where I volunteer and take them for their property for vermin control. They don’t want pets, they want self-sufficient animals, and they get them. Thus, if you actually care about the animals (obviously neither a given nor a requirement), reporting them to animal control and letting them handle it, depending on where you live, is not a death sentence for the animal. There might be a program in place that deals with the ferals in ways that are better for everyone, including people who want them gone. I’d look into it before I invested in a BB gun that will injure but not kill them. Why be cruel when you don’t need to… unless you enjoy that sort of thing.
And when it is proven that T.O. lives under a bridge, I hope everyone rushing to defend him feels that little sting.
Whether or not T.O. is a troll is irrelevant to the legitimate discussion of whether feral cats should be protected. And while spaying and neutering feral cats prevents them from reproducing, it doesn’t prevent them from hunting and killing more birds.
[QUOTE=Dewey Finn]
Whether or not T.O. is a troll is irrelevant to the legitimate discussion of whether feral cats should be protected. And while spaying and neutering feral cats prevents them from reproducing, it doesn’t prevent them from hunting and killing more birds.
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There are colony caregivers who feed them. This keeps them away from people and probably reduces the need or urge to hunt, though there are cats who hunt for fun. This includes housecats, though, and just TRY having the argument that all pet cats should be kept indoors…
Maybe we need a feral cat hunting season to thin the population like we do with deer. What’s the difference?
[QUOTE=Southern Yankee]
Maybe we need a feral cat hunting season to thin the population like we do with deer. What’s the difference?
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A cat head on your wall isn’t nearly as impressive as a ten-point buck.
But think of the proud hunter with a cat corpse strapped to the hood of his Mini Cooper triumphantly returning home.
[QUOTE=C K Dexter Haven]
I was rushed when I was writing my post, and I sort of assumed that most people would know that cruelty to animals is generally illegal.
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Did you intend that as a categorical generalization? In other words, is impossible in your view that shooting a cat with a BB could ever be anything other than “cruelty to animals”? Let me give you a for instance. Suppose a feral cat has discovered your koi pond and has begun fishing. You are a hundred feet away and have a BB gun, with which you have marksman skills. You do not have time to get to your koi pond in time to rescue a fish. Is it okay to shoot the cat? Or should you allow the fish to die? If the latter, why wouldn’t it be cruel to allow the fish to be eaten alive when you could prevent it?
[QUOTE=Liberal]
Did you intend that as a categorical generalization? In other words, is impossible in your view that shooting a cat with a BB could ever be anything other than “cruelty to animals”? Let me give you a for instance. Suppose a feral cat has discovered your koi pond and has begun fishing. You are a hundred feet away and have a BB gun, with which you have marksman skills. You do not have time to get to your koi pond in time to rescue a fish. Is it okay to shoot the cat? Or should you allow the fish to die? If the latter, why wouldn’t it be cruel to allow the fish to be eaten alive when you could prevent it?
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I see your point but the OP stated clearly he lacked the means and ability to make a clean kill by the methods he was using. No chance of a clean kill = cruelty.
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.]
Nobody directly insulted anyone in that thread. Opal’s post was stupid, to be sure, and arguably not appropriate for the forum. But, I can’t really see a direct insult there. I’m sure you can read one in there if you dig deep enough between the lines, but then you’re making an assumption of what you think the poster meant, rather than taking the post at face value.
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I see what you’re saying, but I don’t think you really have to dig all that deep. Maybe it was direct or maybe it wasn’t, I don’t really care. But I do think it was out of line (though I really have no opinion of Opal) and I think it’s arguable that folks have been called out for less.