Milhouse: My mom's got problems. Scary problems.

I had ( and to an occasional extent, still have ) that sort of relationship with my mother. I was an only child and my folks seperated the summer between my second and third grade years. I lived with my mother thereafter up until eighth grade. During that period it wasn’t that bad - my mother was an emotional person and treated me occasionally as being a bit beyond my years ( though I was a pretty self-sufficient latchkey kid from an early age ) in confiding with me, but I wasn’t cast in the role of “the adult”, she was still pretty together and it wasn’t usually that intrusive.

However during the summer I was spending with my father ( and my step-mother and step-brothers ) between seventh and eighth grade, my mother’s sometimes tempestuous relationship with her live-in boyfriend of the past couple of years imploded ( nice enough fellow, Swedish, used to take me fishing a lot, but he was one of those weird health-nut alcoholics - granola, jogging, and orange juice every morning, Grenadier cigars and Jim Bean every night, more than occasionally to the point of passing out ) and she had a nervous breakdown and I quite suddenly found myself living with my father ( I was registered in eighth grade on the third day of the new school year ).

Thereafter it was pretty bad for awhile. Long-distance phone calls with her sobbing and hysterical and me acting as the calm, rational adult at age 13, that sort of thing. Visiting every summer generally entailed at least one or two dramatic/traumatic emotional scenes. It didn’t help that her next ( last ) long-term relationship was even more unstable, on-and-off for years, finally resulting in a brief marriage that ended in total disaster ( and essentially a second breakdown on the part of my mother ). In my mid-to-late-teens I worried enough ( about her, but also other things ) that I used to get stomach aches and fret that I would get an ulcer - which made me worry and get stomach aches :p. But she eventually did settle down a bit and as an actual adult I’ve learned how to be occasionally supportive while still keeping a healthy distance. I also in my early twenties learned how to not be an incessant worrier, which ended the stomach aches ;).

I suppose the largest impact on me is to this day I intensely dislike histrionics. I’m a “bottle it all up” sort, myself - healthy or not it was probably inevitable given my family history :). But I will say to their credit, my folks almost never used me as a pawn in any conflict between themselves. My mother always regretted the seperation and was fond of my father, my father was usually at least correct towards my mother and their respective families adored the other spouses. So there was never really any intra- or interfamilial animosity, though like all kids I found the divorce tough at first.

  • Tamerlane

I was raised by a single mother in a very poor household. I distinctly remember when I was 10-12 years old my mother sobbing on my shoulder about something to do with money. I believe she was going to be late with the house payment, and had a very negative conversation with the guy from the bank. We sat on the couch and I patted her back and just felt helpless.

There were also numerous times when she would wake me up any time between 2 and 6 a.m. and aks me questions like “Am I a good Mom?” or “Are you happy?” Even as late as age 24 she once called me at 1:30 a.m. to ask “Are you all right?” That was the last time though, as I finally told her off about it.
I later found out she did this to my brother also, although I’ve never asked my sister about it.

How do I feel about it? Very conflicted, to say the least. I think this atmosphere fostered a deep insecurity about many things in me that I have only recently become aware of and begun to combat. I can sympathize a little with my mother, because she was under a lot of pressure, and got little substantial support, emotional or financial, from her own family.
But at the same time, I wish she had been a stronger person. There was a time when I deeply resented her emotional neediness, her inability to make adult friends, her unwillingness to make tough choices about what was best, etc.
On the whole, I think she comes out ahead. But just barely.

My mom did this to me. She started complaining to me about my dad at a fairly young age (10-12). I’m the oldest of three, so I guess that’s why she chose me. I know my dad wasn’t easy to live with, but he wasn’t horrible either. She just always came to me with her complaints and anger toward him. It was the kind of stuff you complain about to your sister or your best friend, not the kind of stuff you tell your pre-teen/teenaged daughter.

As a result I grew up with a strange mixture of emotions toward both my parents. For a long time I thought my dad was the “bad guy” and my mom the poor innocent. Then I began to see how my mom sometimes baited my dad, did things he specifically asked her not to, tried to hide it from him, etc. I began to realize that he wasn’t the only one at fault. The pattern was, she would do something he’d asked her not to, or not do something he asked her to or just something he didn’t like and he would react badly, yelling, whatever. Really, they were both at fault.

Naturally, I began to really resent my mom. My dad didn’t complain to me about my mom the same way my mom complained about my dad. So I began to side with my dad. Pretty much the opposite of what my mom expected. As a result of that, my mom and I began to have a very strained relationship.

I adopted a “pretend to listen and nod your head” attitude toward my moms constant complaining. About five years ago I finally stood up to my mom and told her to stop complaining to me about dad. That I just plain didn’t want to hear it. That’s when she started the whole, “I’m the worst mom ever, I never should have bothered you with my problems” crap. Eventually I had to tell her I just couldn’t talk to her, that it was too depressing, that I knew dad wasn’t all bad and why couldn’t she just say something nice about him once in a while.

A couple years ago she asked me to go to the coast with her for a weekend, I said yes and we had a fairly good weekend. I was really open and honest with her about how awful it had been to grow up hear how awful my dad was over and over. Having to relive every fight or arguement the had from her point of view. For once she apologized w/o pulling this “I’m a terrible mom” guilt trip. We settled on a compromise if she really needs to vent something about my dad, she has to tell me something nice about him first. Our relationship isn’t the best, but it’s getting better.

Clearly I hate being dumped on by my mom, and I know I will never talk to my son that way. But then I have a vastly different relationship with my husband than my mom does with my dad.

Wow!
:eek:
Now I have even more reasons to love my parents.
I miss both my mom and my dad.

“If we were married we’d be divorced by now!” Actual quote from my dear mother. Ummm…mom, I was 12. WTF?

My dad died when I was 10 and I became the man of the house. And since I was the man of the house, I didn’t put up with my mom’s shit for long. I’d say I had an argument with my mom everyday for years. I finally was able to move out when I turned 18 (before my senior year in high school). God, what a mess. I am just now starting to visit some of these issues with a therapist.

My mom and I get along fine now because of A) I live 10,000 miles away in another country. B) I set rules and force her to adhere to them. C) She loves my wife and our daughter.

Anyways, I could go on and on, but suffice it to say that my childhood was a mess for many more reasons than not having a dad around.

-Tcat

Guess it’s time to page Elf Babe :wink:
The replies so far have put my parental problems into the shade.

Well, this is an interesting subject brought to my attention by my bro. (Lizard) above! My mom leaned (and still tries to, to a certain extent) upon me quite heavily for emotional support for what seems like forever. Maybe it was my quiet, easygoing attitude? Maybe because I was the first male born in the family and therefore - the man of the house (never mind I didn’t know what the hell that meant nor even what being a boy meant!) At any rate it just simply was depressing and could feel it dragging me down. The constant neediness and insecurities were a ton to take for a kid - so I recognized it and just wanted to get out and away as soon as possible (naively thinking that it would then go away). It was quite an unfortunate set of circumstances that lead to our being without a father and very poor and cut off from the rest of our extended family - so on a certain level, I give her some slack. But that slack only goes so far. Only after some time away and having the opportunity to “right” myself in many different ways can I look back and see that my mom has some real problems that she really needs to address and own up to. Only problem is – she isn’t doing that. I know from my own experience that the first step in correcting issues with oneself is to do self analysis and own up to what is wrong with me. I spent some time trying to focus on how an issue it came to be - and that can be good, but if I dwell on that it is just a waste of time. I’ve got to admit that, no - I am not ok in this area and I want to fix this in a positive way…then take strides to fixing them. Since leaving (emotionally, and literally - physically) my mom behind and fixing my own life – it has left my relationship with my mom in a very precarious state. We aren’t really close - haven’t really been since grade school - yet my mom seems to think we are a some level. I simply don’t know how to relate to her when I’ve already “conquered my own demons” (so to speak) and she hasn’t. I cannot simply be close to her unless she has gone to the next levels. Maybe this will happen or maybe not. I can keep suggesting and pointing the way - but ultimately she is the one that needs to do the work. Anyways, that is where our relationship is at now. Kinda on the low level of “how’s the weather” kind of depthness. I look at my two young daughters and see how I’m going to be very different in many ways with them. I think that there are ways to be close to your kids while still being a parent and a responsible authority figure. If they want to be my “friend” after they have grown up – that would be a thrill, and would let me know that I’ve done it right – I had laid the ground work for a close relationship all the years that they were growing up and it is now time to enjoy the icing on the cake. With my mom - it is still back at square one - I have put any past anger behind me. I have hope that she can address the past as well, so that someday we can have a close relationship too, but am realistic in realizing that there is a distinct possiblity that it may never be.

Wow!

Thanks for sharing your experiences, dopers. I learned a lot.

What words of advice would you give to a young person currently in the situation that you found yourself in while growing up?

Therapy, the sooner the better. Moving 3500 miles away after college doesn’t hurt, either…

Advice: Move out. If you are responsible enough to be leaned on, then lean on yourself and get on with your life. Hard to do if under 18, but you can start planning for it now…save money for an apartment, collect household items, etc. Short of moving out you can develop a group of close friends and hang out with them 24/7. My junior year in high school was spent at 3 friend’s houses. Avoidance was my only option until I was able to support myself.

Of course there is therapy, if they can’t afford it, then school/church/county services probably can.

-Tcat

Therapy; avoid the situation as much as possible (I, too, spent my senior year avoiding my mom); once you turn 18, you may need to really assert yourself to get out from under. I know my mom put the guilt screws to a couple of my sisters who tried to move out of state while she was still alive. And our parents condition us to respond to the guilt; they’ve spent our whole lives learning how to best manipulate us. Once we become adults, we can’t just automatically turn off those switches; it’s hard work. That’s when therapy will really come in handy. I’ll also second Tomcat, who said if you can’t afford therapy, check out local community services. I got mine through the Family Crisis Resource Center, by virtue of having been the victim of an incestuous relationship; my therapist and I did deal with a lot of crap from that, but also a lot of other stuff.

I don’t really know. I doubt I would have listened to anyone. The few outside people who knew how bad things were in the house didn’t care. My mother didn’t care. My father was horribly abusive and we all lived on the edge praying he either wouldn’t come home or if he did that he wouldn’t be in a bad mood. When I thought about it - I figured I had to be a special kind of worthless for my own parents to not even find me worthwhile. Somehow I came to the conclusion it was them who were screwed up and not me and decided I was somehow going to make a decent life for myself.

My mom and I get along very, very well - we like the same things, and we talk all the time. She and my dad will fight occasionally - not too often, but it has gone through some bad periods in the past. She used to talk to her sister about it - sadly, her sister died a few years ago. She tries not to dump on me, but sometimes I happen to talk to her when she’s fought with my dad. It’s hard - she definitely doesn’t do the TMI thing, and she’s not going overboard - but it’s hard to know what to say. So - I try my best to be vaguely supportive without taking sides.

Susan

I can remember that when my dad came home from work, he would often take me for long walks along the railroad tracks. When I got tired, he’d lift me onto his shoulders and carry me. After we went to the bridge, we’d turn around and go back. All the while he would be telling me all of his problems, saying that he didn’t think that his boss liked him, that he wasn’t sure if mom loved him, that he didn’t know if we could make rent that month and he didn’t know what to do. That I deserved a better dad than him, but that he tries the best he can…

Due to where we went walking I was 3-4 years old.

I will say that I have neve doubted that my dad loved me. He’s only 17 years older than me, and he was really just a kid. He never talked down to me that I can remember, he’d always talk to me just like I was a grown-up too.
When I was little, I loved my dad more than anything - he was the most human person in my life. I knew that he could be scared and confused. I knew that he worried that people didn’t like him or love him. I knew that he dispaired that his best never seemed to be good enough, and that he thought that he was stupid.
But I also knew that he only told these things to me, and it was partly from him that I learned at a very young age that you weren’t supposed to let feelings out, just keep them in and keep doing what you’re supposed to be doing. That wasn’t the best lesson.

As for advice… I don’t really have any to give. I know that it’s not a healthy place to be in, but a kid in this position can’t really say no. It’s really up to adult intervention.

My parents divorced when I was around 10 years old. The divorce wasn’t especially acrimonious (honestly, I can’t comprehend how they ended up married to begin with; they have completely opposite personalities), but a lot of the aftermath years after the divorce was really ugly, and to this day, more than 20 years later, they can barely be civil to each other. Of course it doesn’t help that my stepmom is a litigation attorney who loves to stir things up, but that’s a rant for another day.

The good parts of the divorce were that they in almost complete agreement about parenting and custody issues, and my dad never tried to avoid any of his child support or other legal obligations, and lived no more than a few blocks away until I was a high school sophomore. But that’s pretty much where the good part ended. Subsequent years involved multiple court hearings, and when it came time for me (I’m the oldest) to apply to college, things got really ugly as Dad and my stepmom realized that they were going to have to fork out a lot of money. I wish I could say they left me out of the middle on that one, but when one receives a subpoena from one’s father’s lawyer, one is pretty much squarely in the middle.

My mom sounds like Tamerlane’s, up to and including the emotional venting in a somewhat age-inappropriate way to her calm, rational, self-sufficient child (that would be me, not my younger sister), as well as the generally nice, but not so mentally healthy, long-term, on-and-off boyfriend. And the mental breakdown (post-breakup, but long enough after the breakup that I don’t think the breakup had much to do with the breakdown) when I was 13, to the point that we stayed with Dad and Stepmom #1 for a while (although just for a couple of months, and since they only lived a few blocks away it wasn’t nearly as disruptive). I really got much more of an earful about Mom’s love life than I can ever imagine sharing with my hypothetical future kids.

There have been some moments that would be hilarious if only they weren’t so pitiful. A few years ago, I had some pretty hardcore leg surgery and stayed at my mom’s for a week or so after I got out of the hospital. Dad flew out from NY to see me, which meant that he had to set foot in Mom’s place. I suggested to Mom that she might want to take advantage of that to run some errands or something, but the response was “I’m not letting that man run me out of my own house!” Maybe it was the post-surgical drugs, but all I could do was giggle at an adult behaving in such a hysterical and childish way.

Over the past few years I’ve been struggling to define some boundaries with Mom, and it’s been difficult. Dad will never talk trash about Mom; even on those rare occasions when I mention that I’m frustrated with her, he will just crack a joke and change the subject (which is the pleasant flip side of his general avoidance of discussing personal matters.) Mom, however, rarely misses an opportunity to get in a dig at Dad or his family whenever I mention them in her presence (which isn’t often).

I’ve probably also ended up with an intense dislike for hissy-fits of that sort – I used to just bottle it up, but after realizing that familial emotional stress is probably my single most frequent asthma trigger after cigarette smoke, I’ve decided not to put up with it. So I’ve recently adopted a practice of calling Mom out on the carpet when she talks trash about people (either Dad, or anyone else I know who she doesn’t like). If she continues, I hang up on her or leave (it usually happens at her house). It was very counterintuitive at first – I’ve always been the one who sucked it up for the sake of peace and harmony - but I’m feeling less and less guilty about it. If I’m not the source of the anger, why should I have to listen to the screaming?