Mining Portland Ore, for the newcomer?

So I hope/expect to be cut loose from my present mooring by fall, and have the semi-luxury of being able to relocate pretty much anywhere I want - family is scattered, my career is semi-stalled and I will be neither broke nor wealthy.

I’m pretty much done with the northeast, after six years. Weather cycle sucks, particularly the summer heat and humidity, and I don’t mesh with the business culture or structure very well.

Would go back to California except that the places I’d like to live are too expensive, and the places I can afford are the kind of sucky hinterlands I’ve had enough of.

The south, in general, is out.

So after some guarded questions and research, the places that came to the top for weather, strong economy, tech/industrial base that might support what I do as either a small business or employee, and generally somewhere I could be comfortable for the next ten years were Denver, Albuquerque, the outer San Diego area and Portland.

I know PO is super trendy and hip, so nearly all I can find is oriented at the 30yo looking to move to the hottest districts amid the most restaurants and cool startups. I’m looking for any and all info for an older, quieter single to move, maybe buy a modest house with room for big dogs, and live a fairly contained life amid decent weather and enough interesting stuff not to feel like I’m back in Kansas.

Where are good places to live, in the outer reaches and surrounding towns? Schools don’t matter (for the first time in my life) and I don’t mind very slightly downscale areas if it means a better buy on a house - blue collar to lower white collar, some kids, low property crime, etc.

I’ve been advised about living in Vancouver, which is great if you never need to cross the river - since most job opportunities and such will be in OR, I’d rather live on that side.

The tax issues OR-v-WA are not important, not at this stage.

What I’d really like to know are the small things I wish I’d known before moving here, to small-town New England - the kind of stuff you only learn when you trip over it or the neighbors tell you.

So: Portland, Or-ee-gone, for an almost lifetime west coaster past party age but short of retirement, with big dogs and a flexible career in graphics, publication, corporate communications, etc. - tell me what you know.

We’ve corresponded before, but I might suggest Gresham, OR (pop. 110K). It’s east of Portland, but the MAX line runs out there and property prices are MUCH lower than Portland. Gresham is closer to the mountains, of course. It doesn’t have the buzz of Portland, but has its share of decent restaurants, and far fewer hipsters.

On the west side, there’s Hillsboro (pop. 97K), which also has public transit and much lower real estate prices.

It’s PDX, not PO.

That will help you be more hip.

Yes, and thanks.

K. My daughter is off to TO - Toronto - so I was being very hip for two borders north.

How badly do you want to move to Portland?

Something to consider.

It is a beautiful region. But…

Well, I could choose Denver for its front-row seat on the megavolcano, or ABQ or San Diego if I want to be on the leading edge of climate change drought.

Remember, I’m from Californee originally; urt-kwakes don’t scare me. :slight_smile:

And it’s all still potentially Trumpistan, so Costa Rica remains on the short list.

Portland just keeps accumulating the check marks, including being near the only two siblings I still have connections to (BC and NW WA).

I lived in Portland until about 9 months ago. I’ll share what I know, forgive me if this sounds like stream-of-consciousness ramblings.

Portland is reaching critical mass with regards to the influx of hipsters. Housing prices have risen exponentially in the past few years and even a small 1-bedroom apartment downtown will put you back a couple thousand a month. Good luck finding a “modest home” in the center of the city… most have been converted to apartments. A family member of mine lived in the Alphabet District (near Trader Joe’s on Glisan) and sold their house in late 2014. It had been converted to two apartments, one on each floor with a single-car garage at street level for the lower apartment. Each apartment had one bedroom with a tiny closet, a kitchen, a bath and there was a shared back yard maybe 20’ x 30’. A beautiful home but certainly not large by any means. Your average double-wide mobile home has more square footage than their house had.

They sold it for $795K. It would go for well over $1MM today.

Housing wise, Gresham will be cheaper but generally the east suburbs are more expensive than the west suburbs, but I think part of that is Gresham is connected to the city by a network of roads, city streets, and the freeways in a way that the other suburbs aren’t—this means there’s more shopping and restaurants and the like near the divide between the two. Hillsboro and Beaverton are much more affordable than the city itself and as Chefguy notes MAX has rail services to both suburbs. If you have big dogs then I’ll assume you want a big yard… think about the suburbs over the city itself, as you’ll have more choices of housing with adequate space (which is not to say there isn’t any—the historical houses in the Alphabet District downtown are spectacularly beautiful and many have decent back yards, but again the prices will be exorbitant and you’re likely getting an apartment and not the whole house). Some suburbs like Oregon City and West Linn have become trendy so even though they’re a considerable driving commute into the city—no MAX service but I think they have TriMet bus service—the housing prices are high.

Some of the suburbs like Cornelius and Forest Grove are outside MAX service and aren’t trendy (yet) so are considerably cheaper, but it means not only a driving commute to the nearest Park & Ride but then a train commute into the city itself. If you’re working a 9-5 M-F that may be a pain in the ass (or not, depending on you) but it certainly would save on housing costs.

The weather can suck if you don’t like rain. Portland’s proximity to the Columbia River Gorge means that it gets a lot more cooler, wetter weather than many other places west of the Cascades, and that’s really saying something. Expect to wear rainproof jackets and a hat pretty much from November thru April or May. The plus side is it doesn’t get cold—certainly not like the northeast. Snow on the ground is rare, but when it does the city comes to a standstill.

The influx of hipsters means that while Portland is “trendy” it also caters to a wide range of tastes, be it food or entertainment or lifestyle. The food carts that scatter the city produce some of the best food I’ve ever had (I hear people rave about Olive Garden or Red Robin and I just laugh… a Portland roach coach produces better food than they do). This also means that many of the restaurants in the city are competing with cheap but excellent street food and thus they are relatively inexpensive and out-of-this-world good. Even the chains like Pizzacato pizza or the Laughing Planet cafes are outstanding.

There’s all manner of entertainment available, from plays and operas (many free) to street performances. The city also hosts big events like the Waterfront Blues festival and numerous big-name acts of the Rose Garden (well, Moda Center now).

Outdoor recreation is huge, but people tend to flock to the gorge to do day hikes or see Multnomah Falls (highly overrated IMO). If you’re the outdoorsy type there’s lots of skiing on Mt. Hood, camping pretty much anywhere in the state, lots of coastal beaches—the entire coast is public—and some wonderful weekend trips to places like Malheur Wildlife Refuge or Crater Lake.

Portland is very liberal, the rest of the state save Eugene is very, very, conservative.

Oregon has no sales tax and you don’t get to pump your own gas. Some people from out of state take offense at this; I’ve lived with it my whole life and find no reason for outrage. When it’s pouring rain it’s nice to have one less reason to get out of the car.

Portland is a pretty safe city, at least downtown where I lived. Walking home from a restaurant late at night was no problem. Cars get broken into if they’re parked on the street overnight with stuff inside, but assaults and the like seem less common than in other big cities. I’m a large bear of a man and maybe people just don’t want to fuck with me. But I never heard from any of my friends that they felt unsafe or were victims of a crime.

People who bitch that the city is expensive are likely hipsters who buy designer flannel shirts and shop at Whole Foods. I shopped at the downtown Safeway and City Target and paid no more for groceries and everyday junk like TP and shampoo than I do here at the K Mart in my little jerkwater town I live in now. There are (and I suspect this is true of every major city) also various shops that sell or repair almost anything you can think of. I had an old beside clock / alarm from the 60’s, the kind with the mechanical numbers that flipped over. It needed some sort of repair and sure enough there was a repair shop in Tigard, I think, that repaired those old clocks. For someone coming from a major metropolitan area that might not be anything special, but I found it very convenient.

The economic base is stronger than anything between the Bay area and Seattle. I was there for school and ended up finding work 3 hours away, so I can’t speak with too much authority on that aspect other than to say everything I’ve heard is good.

There are several farmers’ markets around the city; each is well worth spending an hour or two wandering through. The increased demand for organic foods has driven farmers to meet that demand, so the result is outstanding produce and homemade goods (preserves, freshly butchered meats, homemade cheeses, stuff like that) available fairly inexpensively.

There are more microwbrews than you can count (and you probably shouldn’t because there’ll be more established tomorrow) if you’re into that sort of thing. Oregon wines are also getting national recognition lately, with the Willamette and Umpqua valleys producing some outstanding vintages.

People bitch about the traffic but I lived and thus parked my car downtown and never had a problem with it, even at rush hour (although the freeways can get clogged up pretty bad). It’s certainly nothing like Seattle or other truly big cities. Portland has become a very “bike-friendly” city and so the idiot bike nazis that fill the streets are by far more aggravating—and dangerous—than the vehicle traffic. Downtown parking can be an issue and I learned quickly that buying a folding shopping cart using MAX or the streetcar was easier than finding a parking spot. There are, however, public parking lots & garages scattered around downtown and for a few bucks you can utilize one of those in a pinch. Whenever I went over to the east side for dinner parking wasn’t usually an issue.

Perhaps it’s because I moved there from a small town and thus don’t have much experience with other large metropolitan centers, but I loved it. The wide range of good food available and things to do meant I was never bored. The people are usually friendly. I’d move back in a heartbeat if the opportunity arose.

And yeah, it’s PDX, which also the airport code for Portland International, and it’s pronounced OR-ee-gun.

Agree with all of that, except it’s pronounced more like OR-i-gun. :stuck_out_tongue:

I’ll add that there is also a liberal base around OSU (Oregon State University) in the Corvallis/Albany area, where I live. It wouldn’t surprise me to find one in Salem, the state capital as well.

How far out of town are you willing to live? I’m about an hour from downtown Portland. I’ve in a liberal area, with the charms of a small college town, and easy access to two big towns (Portland and Eugene - 3 if we count Salem). Housing prices are even lower (I’ve got 2400 sq ft, on a third of an acre, backed up on a lake, about 10 years old, valued at $380k). You could easily get acreage, probably for even less. We’re also right in Oregon (Or-i-gun or Or-y-gun, but the “y” is soft) wine country, if that matters. An hour to the coast, an hour or less to the mountains. We do have all of the modern trappings, if they matter, like CostCo and (sigh) Walmart. We just hide them. :slight_smile:

If you make a swing out here to see the environs before committing, I would definitely suggest including the Corvallis area.

If you have any specific questions, please let me know.

Can’t pump your own gas! Dealbreaker!

All great stuff, thanks. It’s going to be a complex move, what with big dogs that have to be driven and then just enough junk that I will have to go back for it and/or have it shipped (including at least one collector car… probably have to sell the Cobra).

All this without actually knowing one person in the area, or having an employment situation, or knowing anything much about Actual Life In Portland.

But hey, we all gotta be somewhere and if I die in Nwingland I am gonna be pissed. :slight_smile:

No ‘also’ about it. PDX is the airport identifier for Portland International Airport. If it’s been co-opted by hipsters as the trendy name for the City of Portland, then they are the ‘alsos’; not the airport.

I am not knowledgeable about Portland and so am hesitant to jump into your thread, but I wanted to agree with Sunny Daze that Corvallis is a fantastic area if you can swing it. To that I would add McMinnveville. Also agree that there are more liberal pockets in the rural/suburbian areas than most people realize.

One thing you want to keep in mind is that property taxes will be mindblowingly expensive in the cities proper as opposed to more rural areas. I’m shocked at what some of my city-dwelling friends pay for property taxes. The offset to no sales tax, plainly.

Also, if you suffer from allergies, think hard about relocating here.

You might give a squiz to Eugene and surrounds so long as you’re at it, unless proximity to an actual city is important. Eugene is much more a town than a city, but it has a respectable arts community, good access to mountains, ocean and the like. Population just a bit over 150,000. Growing like mad, and they’ve made a point of courting tech.

You can do Crater Lake in a day, hightail it to the desert for stargazing if that’s your preference. Good fishing and/or hunting if you’re into that, and obviously hiking, photography, kayaking and such. Restaurants are good though not Portland-good – but we’re catching up. And it gives you an excuse to go to Portland.

I live about midway between Corvallis and Eugene to the west of both in the foothills of the Coast Range, and I love this area. When I come off the farm, I’m heading up Corvallis way (probably Philomath area), but I’m a happy country dweller and prefer a quiet lifestyle. Corvallis Farmers’ Market is about as wild as I want to get these days.

Of course you know to say, “Go Beavs!” or “Go Ducks!” depending on where you land. :wink:

Lastly, I must add my 2 cents’ worth on the proper pronunciation of Oregon. It’s OR-eh-gun. :slight_smile:

Lancia, excellent post.

I think the Portland area actually does have sales tax, but the rest of the state does not. Perhaps Chefguy or Lancia can confirm.

We always say that we’re a Platypus family. My husband did his post-doc at University of Oregon and my uncle was on the faculty at OSU. :smiley:

I should note that article is very misleading and the Cascadia earthquake and tsunami will pose a huge risk to PDX (Or Seattle).

Note those low numbers, which is because the Cascadia subduction zone is off the cost of the state and Portland is a long way inland.

That said the risk from these types of disasters is tiny compared to most causes of mortality.

Here are the maps that show at risk areas.

I would be far more concerned about the high unemployment and challenging job market.

Ah, I should have included the qualifier, “state,” to sales tax. :slight_smile:

LOL, civil war at your place every year, eh? I am college-sport flexible, so cheer for either or both, depending.

Nope, no sales tax in Portland. That’s why people from Vancouver come here to shop for some items.

I will have to try and figure out why I got that weird idea then. :o

Never mind me.

It’s not so weird. Some places are like that. Even in Alaska, Fairbanks has a sales tax and Anchorage does not.

Heh. While scanning Zillow and looking at houses in Gresham, I noticed the local E-W highway… I-84.

I currently live a mile from I-84, 3000 miles east.

How strange.

Somebody tell me all the dirt on Gresham?