Misogynistic language and its defenders

The poster who called someone a skank had earlier called Jennifer Garner a bitch in the same thread for some reason known only to him.

You can have my filthy limericks when you pry them out of my steamy, unwashed asscrack.

Do they work better or worse than goose-necks?

[I haven’t read the thread]

In my relatively limited time on this MB, I have yet to see a fracas of any sort involving that particular poster where my esteem for him/her has grown as the fracas wore on.

Quite the opposite, really.

That dude is straight up asshole

Can’t disagree from what I’ve seen.

Goose necks? Heavens forfend, how inhumane! But a velvet hat, now that’s livin’.

Don’t forget that “men’s” magazines like Playboy and Penthouse spent decades promoting the “swinging bachelor” lifestyle ideal. At its peak in the 70s, Playboy was one of the most popular magazines in America, and the name itself reflected the lifestyle it was promoting. It was definitely a thing, fortunately falling out of favour with societal changes in the past few decades including a more enlightened view of gender roles.

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I’m pretty sure I’ve seen the term aimed at Taylor Swift, and she’s a billionaire.

I think these days, the term “swinging bachelor” evokes an image like Ron Burgundy of Anchorman, and is a parody concept worthy of ridicule rather than some kind of ideal that people strive for and admire.

I just went through that thread. Complete fucking asshole.

Maybe I just haven’t noticed their assholishness before, but it seems to me that a lot of regular posters are getting more aggressive and ugly lately.

Not Johanna though. She handled that with dignity. I am glad she is here.

As I said, a media trope, and a faded one at that.

I just want to second this observation. Particularly over the last few months I’ve noticed the general tone of the board has been getting slightly more aggressive. Posters in general that I otherwise think of being level-headed are more likely to get confrontational these days. Not without reason of course.

That wasn’t a “media trope” as I understand the term, which implies figurative fiction or exaggerated tales. Before the relatively recent societal transformations, “playboys” were widely admired by many of the males of the species instead of being perceived as contemptible predators. Hugh Hefner’s own columns in his magazine promoted the lifestyle. The “Playboy philosophy” was a mixed bag that did help to some extent to advance womens’ rights, but at the same time promoted, by his writing and his own example, the lifestyle of a hedonistic libertine. The magazine was so influential that there were even some college courses devoted to analyzing Hefner’s writings, because they reflected a contemporary reality.

It was in a magazine. Print is media. Hefner’s writings are media.

There may have been men who studied it, admired it, aspired to it, and advocted for it, but how many actually managed to live it? None I ever met.

We are getting somewhat off the topic of this thread.

None that I ever knew personally, because that wasn’t the kind of crowd I hung out with. But I’ve seen them in action. The VP of a company I used to work for was a stereotypical womanizer and fit the mold perfectly.

Where it fits the topic is the point that times have changed, and sometimes language lags social changes. I’m a little bit on the fence on this whole thing because I tend to object in principle to artificial “language engineering” except in extreme cases where you can just say “don’t ever use this word, because it’s very offensive”.

Are “skank” and “bitch” in this category? Maybe “skank”, but “bitch” is so extremely common that it’s practically meaninglesss. And if we do discourage the use of certain words, maybe we should do it without invoking overpowered labels. “Skank” is crude and offensive, and the speaker of such should rightfully be criticized. But is it “misogynistic”?

We have words like “misandrist” – a person who hates men. We have “misanthrope”, from the same “anthro” root as “anthropomorphic” and "anthropogenic, meaning a person who hates humanity in general. We have “misophonia”, a disorder in which certain sounds trigger unreasonably extreme reactions.

And then we have “misogynist”. But is a person who used a crude gendered insult against a woman truly a misogynist, or he is just a common asshole?

Hanlon’s razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

I try to avoid most gendered insults for women, though I use “bitch” sparingly, most often jokingly with my girlfriends, and occasionally while solo gaming.

The problem is I have known some crazy bitches, by which I mean my mother, and I really can’t think of a better descriptor.

A person using misogynistic language isnt necessarily a misogynist. However, they are using the language.

As I said above I can’t demand they don’t, but I and likely others will judge them on such usage.

Eccentric feline females.