Yes. Yes.
Has there been any known instance of a child “sold to a pedophile”?
You mean in this country?
I know the rigorous schooling of CSI reruns and local news scares has probably made you quite the armchair detective, but don’t you think this is pure fantasy?
It’s obvious that she sold the child to the Yakuza in exchange for protection from the Traids and the Camorra. You see it all started 5 years ago in the city of Naples…
First, murder doesn’t seem likely. From what I read, the grandmother loved the kid. If the mother thought the kid was a burden, maybe she could have left her with grandma, A) by arrangement, or B) just bailing out without a forwarding address. Or of course there are people who want to adopt and will pay thousands to do so via legal channels. So “Mother kills child” doesn’t seem very likely.
The Anthonys said that the reason their daughter may have borrowed a shovel from a neighbor, which led investigators to digging in and searching the Anthonys’ back yard, was to dig up bamboo shutes that grow in their back yard. They said they often hurt Caylee’s feet.
And as I quoted earlier, they have given up on the backyard they’ve been searching. In the same article cited above:
*She would not reveal what was said, but she’s standing by her daughter’s innocence.
“I still believe in her. I still love her, and right now my focus is on Caylee. I cannot focus on Casey right now. I know she’s safe,” Cindy Anthony said. “We will work out all the reasons why Casey was arrested later. Right now, our focus is on Caylee and finding Caylee and if we lose that focus, Caylee may not come back to me.”*
Of course, there could have been an accident. From stuff I read, police talked to two boyfriends. I assumed she’s dating both of them currently but it wasn’t clear. It’s possible there was some sort of accident or that she or one of the boyfriends killed the child. The grandmother said she didn’t know why her daughter was lying, so I don’t think there’s collusion within the family.
As ivylass pointed out, the mother claimed she had been “investigating privately” rather than reporting it to the police. But in actuality, she was partying. If the grandmother is right, that her daughter loves the child, it doesn’t sound like she feared what had happened to her.
Supposing the child wasn’t murdered, why has she disappeared? The mother has had problems with money, as I cited earlier. I wouldn’t be surprised if the child were sold. Maybe it was to satisfy a debt or maybe she figured these nice, rich people could take better care of her. From what I’ve heard, it costs a lot of time and money to adopt and some might be glad to circumvent as much red tape as possible. Pedophiles aren’t the only possibility.
Or it could be that the mother snapped. If that’s the case, no amount of rearranging the facts will make much sense to anybody but her.
Rubbish, if done for insurance money.
Or dig a grave.
The mother is a habitual liar. The grandmother is likely believing what her emotions drive her to.
I do not celbrate the girl’s likely fate. But I have no illusions.
My armchair interpretation was that the grandmother was remaining positive in the hope that her daughter would open up to her and confess what happened. I don’t think the daughter is innocent of anything simply because of how completely unconcerned she seems about the whereabouts/fate of the girl.
I would not be surprised if this is the case. Much like when a woman turns up dead it’s usually a safe bet to suspect the boyfriend/husband, when a child turns up dead it’s usually a safe bet to suspect mom’s new boyfriend (or the stepdad). Sad for those men who are innocent (I am not saying that’s always the one who does such terrible things), but it often seems to be the case.
However, it also wouldn’t surprise me if the mom killed the kid. Not everyone who is capable of doing stuff like that thinks in a logical, coherent way. To us it seems obvious that it’d make more sense to just drop the kid off with grandma sooner than kill her, but a mentally ill or drugged out person might not have the cognitive skills to think that way.
I wonder if this will help drum up new interest in another missing child, whose mother probably knew more than she was telling?
I find the Casey’s reaction odd. Even Susan Smith was able to fake it for a few days until the police unraveled the lies in her story. For her to be calm or lying or uncaring says to me that she knows something.
Seems like the story would be a lot different. She’d want to appear to be wracked with worry etc. to distance herself from her complicity. And if they never find a body, I wonder how the insurance would interpret that…would they still pay out? And I’d think detectives would look for any insurance policies, but even if they didn’t, this woman is on the national radar now.
Not in the grandparents’ back yard, it would appear.
True. But any loving grandparent would want to remain optimistic, encourage search/rescue efforts to continue.
Not if the Mom is stupid. And a lot of habitual liars are.
The vast majority of criminals are stupid. That’s why the cops catch them. Hubby used to be a DA and the standard line was that they only catch the slow and the stupid, like a lion culling a herd by taking the gazelle with the limp…
Yes. Or in another western country. Two posters have alluded to such a possibility, even though it seems to me to be unheard of in such circumstances.
*The United States Department of State has a high-level official charged with combating human trafficking, the Director of the Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons (“anti-trafficking czar”). The current director is Mark P. Lagon. *
Due to the illegal nature of trafficking and differences in methodology, the exact extent is unknown. According to United States State Department data, an "estimated 600,000 to 820,000 men, women, and children [are] trafficked across international borders each year, approximately 70 percent are women and girls and up to 50 percent are minors.
Also from that source:
In the western world, Canada in particular has a major problem with modern-day sexual slavery. In a 2006 report the Future Group, a Canadian humanitarian organization dedicated to ending human trafficking, ranked eight industrialized nations and gave Canada an F for its “abysmal” record treating victims. The report, titled “Falling Short of the Mark: An International Study on the Treatment of Human Trafficking Victims”, concluded that Canada “is an international embarrassment” when it comes to combating this form of slavery.
Holy shit, also from the Wikipedia article:
In poverty-stricken Moldova, where the unemployment rate for women ranges as high as 68% and one-third of the workforce live and work abroad, experts estimate that since the collapse of the Soviet Union between 200,000 and 400,000 women have been sold into prostitution abroad — perhaps up to 10% of the female population.
An interesting poster:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Untitledg.JPG
Granted, some of these examples seem to pertain to individuals in other countries being brought into Canada (for instance). But dayum, get people out of their native country and they’re off the radar. Here’s a source from the Wikipedia article:
*Researchers from the charity, End Child Prostitution and Trafficking (ECPAT), interviewed social workers in 33 London boroughs. *
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*Workers in 26 of the 33 boroughs surveyed said they had concerns about the circumstances in which a child had been brought into the UK or was living, Ms Somerset said. *
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Workers in 26 of the 33 boroughs surveyed said they had concerns about the circumstances in which a child had been brought into the UK or was living, Ms Somerset said.
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*The report found that children trafficked from African, eastern Europe and parts of Asia were most likely to end up in London.
East European children were most likely to be trafficked for sexual purposes while more than half of trafficked African children ended up as domestic “slaves”, the report found.
Thirty-five cases were documented in the boroughs surveyed.*
Simplest (and most frequently correct, I would guess) answer- the child is dead, and mommy dearest was involved.
I wasn’t talking about international traffic of human beings. I was talking about a mother selling her child to a paedophile in a western country or a situation reasonably similar (doesn’t necessarily have to be a mother/child relationship). What I am unaware of is a case of a missing child who turned up to have been “sold to a paedophile”.
A 16 yo enticed by some Moldavian pimp who end up being sold, beaten and working on Italian pavements is a completely different issue.
I don’t think I was the first to bring up pedophilia as a possibility and I don’t think my posts indicated I thought that a pedophile would automatically be the probable reason someone would want to buy a child. If I said that, please show me where.
I checked for some news updates. This is strange #1:
- The 2-year-old’s disappearance came to light after her mother, Casey Anthony, had her car towed from an Amscot. The Anthony family told News 13 the reason was simply because the car had run out of gas.
The family also said the smell of decay inside the car, which some thought could be a clue, was from a piece of rotting pizza in the trunk.*
This is strange #2:
*Cindy Anthony recalled for us a phone conversation Caylee’s mother had with the toddler just Tuesday.
According to Caylee’s grandmother, the 2-year-old spoke to Casey briefly, but when she asked Caylee to put an adult on the phone, the line was disconnected*.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/7/20/caylee_last_spoke_with_mother_tuesday.html
It could be just another lie, of course and the grandmother is choosing to believe the best. But from another story, maybe there’s some corroboration that the kid wasn’t killed the day she and mommy moved out. This is strange #3:
*Some friends told the Anthonys that they had spotted Caylee on June 12 in a shopping area somewhere along the Orange-Seminole County line.
It was not known who the child was with at the time.
When she was last seen, Caylee was wearing a blue and pink outfit and white-rimmed sunglasses.*
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/7/18/search_for_caylee_continues.html
So mother/daughter moved out June 9, mother claims she dropped off daughter with babysitter, and when she went back to pick her up she was missing, right? But friends saw the girl June 12 and didn’t wonder why her mother or other relatives weren’t with her?
I don’t know if you said that, but I would mention that I was originally responding to a post by ** Ilovcoffee **, not by you, and this post specifically referred to the kid being sold to a paedophile.
Ah, ok. The Moldavian bit of your post made me think it was directed at me.
I was responding to you with the Moldovian bit. But that was only because you responded to my response to ** Iluvcoffee ** 