Wtf? Wow, gay, orgies, affairs with 3 women yet he was suppose to be gay. Hypocrite? I guess we don’t remember that Fbi had streamed cocaine into urban neighborhoods, one of the “Muslims” who killed Malcolm X was an Fbi informant and that Edgar was a cross dresser? The post is basically bull.
Here’s a corrected link.
The facts are the facts. Do you dispute the plagiarism charges? The womanizing seems supported by many sources. Who knows about the sex tape? The communism charge seems to be discounted in the column.
I’m not sure exactly what the other stuff you brought in has to do with Dr King. They certainly don’t discredit anything Cecil wrote.
I don’t understand your post, kennboy1. Are you saying that, because the FBI/Hoover/Malcolm X’s assassin, etc., did bad things, that MLK couldn’t have also done bad things? The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Most great men are flawed, but that doesn’t change their accomplishments. So he might’ve been a womanizer/gay/plagiarizer . . . so? The plagiarizing bothers me a tiny bit but who really cares at this point? He did a lot more good than harm.
I just don’t know ether, but I do know that I don’t believe this post; if he can really back it up just as he/YOU says he can than WHY doesn’t he do it in the first place? Present the facts, the sources, the “sex tape” itself. The facts are the facts because they are proven, so were is the proof? What is there-in to discredit???
However, it’s not the users that i want to talk to. I don’t need his users to spark up an argument i don’t need IF that’s what you people are thinking.
Are you even aware that the late Carl Rowan was black?
As mentioned above, Ralph Abernathy is one of the sources, and this is right in the column. So is the investigation that showed King has plagiarized much of his Ph.D. thesis, which was conducted by Boston U.
What facts and sources were you looking for?
Regards,
Shodan
What? Was it a deathbed conversion? 
The way the response on Communism is worded is rather silly though:
True. Mostly it was a matter of J. Edgar Hoover’s paranoia and power-hungry dirty tricks. But Cecil offers this:
I’m still seeing Cold War paranoia…and not necessarily by J. Edgar Hoover. A number of my former associates were not just former communists, but “active” communists. One of them was one of my most trusted confidants. I frequently vacationed with two others. I sound very suspicious to me. Guilt by association! (Well-known propaganda technique)
This is supposed to be a relevant response to “Was he a communist”?
That is about as damaging as calling King – a man in his thirties in the 1960s – a “chauvinist” in regard to women. His abuse is inexcusable. His attitude toward his marriage vows is difficult to reconcile, but not my business. But every man that I knew in the mid-1960s was fairly chauvinistic about male and female roles. The women weren’t much further along. The second wave of the women’s rights movement really hadn’t affected most of us.
This particular column was certainly not Cecil’s finest hour.
I think that kennboy1 wanted Cecil to embed the video inline into the newspaper column.
kennboy1 said:
First, Cecil says the gay thing was not serious. Second, it is possible for someone to be bi-sexual. So either way, what is your objection?
Well, yeah. This isn’t saying you’re a Communist yourself, but if I were the director of the FBI during the Cold War, I’d probably consider your connections worthy of investigation, at least.
One of the communists that I was an associate of was a a fellow teacher in a predominately African-American School. Would they have investigated all of the left of center teachers at that school? The other was a doctor who saw many patients each year. I was one of them. My first husband had been a friend before we married. His daughter was the third communist. Now grown, she completely lives a communist lifestyle. Cool kid.
There are many people who are communist in theory but are not trying to overthrown the government. I’m fairly certain that most people didn’t know about the teacher.
I think that my own father held to one of the basic tenets of communism and quoted it often enough that some day I would recognize it for what it was. He also tried to live a very giving lifestyle so that people in need did not go without. Even after his death, my mother found out that he had kept one of her nieces and her husband going through hard times. I think that is the best way of demonstrating “from each according to his ability; to each according to his need.” Any compassionate person can choose to do that without a government coup unless corporations take all of our money.
Zoe, Cecil didn’t say anything about whether the FBI was actually doing good by rooting around for communists, and the last line of the paragraph you cite is:
Which pretty much states your position from what I can infer.
Look, the plain truth is that Hoover was thinking something like this:
"The United States was made for the benefit of whites.
"This uppity Martin Luther Coon wants to change that.
“Therefore, he’s a dirty commie.”
So let’s just move on, OK?
Bumped, since the column is back on the front page.
I’ve always wondered, why didn’t Hoover go ahead and leak the MLK sex tape(s)? It would hurt King and the Civil Rights Movement, which Hoover would want, and he could always stage the leak through a cutout, or anonymously (under circumstances suggesting some white racist bugged MLK’s hotel room), so that the FBI’s fingerprints wouldn’t be on it.
I think a bigger question is should teachers hide this information when kids are studying MLK?
I mean they encourage criticism of other great leaders. Should MLK be off the table?
On the contrary, I think this was one of Cecil’s finest hours. He gave the facts rather than soft-pedaling. Those facts do not diminish in the least King’s stature as an American icon nor do they detract one iota from his massive contribution to the struggle for civil rights.
Martin Luther King was a man not a plaster saint.
I see nothing here to object to, but I’m a lot more left/liberal than many Americans.
In particular though, I’m surprised that the idea that he “borrowed” his “I have a dream” speach is even raised.
He was the son of a preacher man. He was an ordained Baptist minister. What, you think all ministers write all their sermons ex-nova? You think they should? You think important political speechs were entirely original and entirely written by the speaker?
The other stuff I can understand the issues, but not this…
I agree. If something sounds good, why not repeat it? Its not like a speech is a masters thesis one has to show their sources for.
Now its different though when it came out that Alex Haley had plagiarized another writers book when he wrote “Roots”.
If he’s being praised for his creative and original thought, then it is worth noting if he wasn’t the originator.
If he’s being praised for promoting and spreading an idea, then it doesn’t really matter where the words come from.