Model Rockets

Does anyone know anything about model rockets? I’ve never played with them before and have been unable to find decent instructions on the gist of it. I need to not only be able to successfully launch some but help others launch them safely, in about a week from now.

I bought a couple simple ones at the hobby store as well as various confusing looking accessories that were nearby. Did I absolutely need all of those things? I got some engines, which look like mini- cigars, something called wadding, some model glue (which ironically says FLAMMABLE all over it), and some sort of launching device which just looks like two metal sticks…

Yeah, I don’t know if this was a good idea either.

Thanks :smiley:

Yeah, I could prolly help. What specific questions do you have? If I can’t answer, there are tons of references on the web. Model Rocketry, despite the machinations of the BATF, is still a very-much-alive-and-kickin’ hobby.

Sounds like you have most of it. I’d guess that there are some decent model rocketry sites online somewhere; I’ll poke around a bit and see what I can find.

Anyways, here’s what you need:

Rocket: should be built with some sort of recovery system (parachute, streamer, various more advanced types that turn into glides and such, and for very small rockets, nothing more than aerodynamics that will make them tumble when not under power)

Engine: Start with B-series engines, would be my advice, since they don’t shoot things nearly as high as C-series do. This simplifies recovery, especially if you don’t have a lot of room to work with. The letter/number code on the engines works as follows (assuming my memory is functional today) - the letter indicates which broad class it’s in, A being the smallest and D being the largest. A and D are physically smaller and larger than the B/C engines, which are identical in physical size. The first number after the letter indicates how much thrust the engine is packing, and the last number indicates the delay before the parachute deployment charge is fired. If the last number is 0, it’s an engine designed for the lower stages of a multi-stage rocket.

Igniter: Little Y-shaped wire. You stick the point of the Y into the hole in the bottome of the engine, and attach the clips on the launch control to the to ends of the Y. Make sure the clips aren’t touching. Usually one bends the wire to splay them apart to avoid this.

Launchpad: Longish thin metal rod with a small metal plate that slips over it, and some sort of base to mount it on. Usually the metal rod is in two pieces that fit together. Rockets have a small sleeve on one side that slips over the metal rod, which allows them to get moving in the right direction when the engine fires.

Controller: Handheld battery operated device that fires the igniter. It’s basically just a big momentary contact switch, completing a circuit with a couple C-sized batteries and the igniter. Generally includes a “key” that must be inserted in order to function so you can set everything up without fear of the engine firing prematurely.

Wide-open field: Model rockets are unpredictable. They’re best fired under dead calm conditions, as any wind will blow them all over the place on their way back down. Out on the farm mine used to have an uncanny knack for landing in the tops of trees hundreds of yards away from the launch site. Course, I was using the biggest engines I could for maximum altitude.

Common sense: Rocket engines are dangerous. Keep everyone well back when launching. Igniters are somewhat unreliable. You might push the button only to have nothing happen…at first…then 5 seconds later, PFOOOOSH! Be careful when dealing with misfires. Pull the key out of the controller, then detach the clips from the igniter, then remove the igniter from the engine while pointing the business end of the engine away from you. You don’t want that thing firing its exhaust at your chest from a foot away. All this and lots more safety instructions should be included in the instructions that came with your stuff.

Found a big list of model rocketry FAQs here.

Ah, a fun little hobby from gradeschool.

I think the main company still making rockets after all these years is Estes.
Fairly basic contraptions. Its a cardboard tube with balsa wood finds and a balsa wood nosecone. The ‘engines’ are basically like a larger bottlerocket engine. Except instead of exploding at the end, they discharge a smaller exhaust out the opposite side of the engine in order to blow off the nosecone which is tethered to the rocket along with a parachute. You stick the wadding inbetween the engine and the parachute so the exhaust charge doesn’t burn or melt the plastic parachute.
We never used the fancy electronic launhing devices. We always just bought coils of fuse, cut them in 12" sections and stuck them in the hole in the bottom of the engine.
You do need the launching ‘pad’ however with the long metal rod. The rockets have a small tube (like a section of a drinking straw) glued to the outside of the main tube and you slide the rocket onto the rod through this tube. It help launch the thing in the right direction.
And always check your wind direction. If the wind is blowing east and your launching in a big open field, launch it on the west side of the field, cause those suckers are gonna drift once the chute pops open.

Uh oh. Saw nothing that looked like this…

The basice Estes controller can be seen here. It’s a very simple device. You’ve got some batteries (looks like 4 AA in this case, I thought I remembered using Cs), a push-button switch that closes the circuit, and a removable key that prevents the circuit from being closed if is not in place. This one also has a small light that lights up if the circuit is complete so you know there’s actually current going through the igniter - handy if the rocket isn’t wooshing into the air, you know that it’s not because your batteries are dead, etc. It would be simple enough to build your own, but I don’t believe they cost much. I would have expected any starter kit to include one, though.

The one thing you really need, which from your OP I assume whoever asked you to do this already got, is permits from your local fire department.

No? Got anything with a long double wire coming out of it?

This is a mad-fun hobby–just did a launch with my kiddies this past Saturday. If you have a hobby store nearby the folks there should be able to give you more hands-on/dialog assistance than you can get here. It’s a really simple process but t the uninitiated it can lok confusing.

The key safety feature I can think of is: make sure the launcher is a sensible distance plus 10 feet away from the launch pad. There’s absolutely no benefit to being right on top of the things when they go off, and plenty of benefit in allowing enough room to scramble if something goes nuts during liftoff (Like the odd rocket that temporarily snags somehow at the top of the launch rod and ends up on a vertical flight path).

Be sure to remove the safety key.

I’d left the key in the launch control when I hooked up my Cherokee-D. I heard a hiss and dropped backward to see the rocket taking off. The launch button had stuck.

Does anyone know a source for older models? I’d love to have another Solar Warrior.

Hah! I knew I’d get the letter/number code for the engines wrong. :smiley:

The letter actually indicates the total thrust in the engine, in Newtons (within a certain range). Each letter indicates double the thrust of the previous letter. The first number indicates average thrust - lower numbers indicate lower thrust, which, if total thrust is equal, means it will burn at lower power for a longer time. Higher numbers means it burns fast, but not as long. Last number (this one I got right) is the delay before the ejection charge goes.

The physical size of the engine, it turns out, has nothing to do with the letter. There are three physical sizes of Estes motoers - “mini”, “standard”, and D (because all the engines those size happen to be Ds). You can get A, and even one 1/2A engine in the “standard” size. Something like an A8-3 is probably good to start with, as it won’t push most rockets very high. I think I used to fire mostly C6-5s, which pushed the rockets almost high enough that you couldn’t see them.

This is making me want to go out and buy a kit and launch it.

Re-reading the OP, I’m thinking you bought a launch rod, but not the whole launcher. The rods are replacement parts. You prolly need to head back to the hobby shop and get the whole launcher. While you are at it, look for a “Starter” kit. It wll come with everything you need, including detailed instructions.

WTF??? Um, no…? What kind of trouble are we talking if I don’t have one…

eBay, of course.

PD Rocketry has clones of older kits. I think Semroc (sorry, no link) is the company that makes a clone of my first rocket – the Estes Skyhook. Some of the kits Estes offers have been around for decades (e.g., Alpha, Alpha III, Big Bertha), only they now use plastic nose cones instead of balsa. (IIRC they stopped using balsa nose cones in the late-'70s or early-'80s.)

I son’t know the Solar Warrior, but PD Rocketry (linked above) has a Solar Sailer listed on the second page.

I built a rocket in Elementary school that I still have. (I just know I’m gonna cry when I eventually lose it in a tree). It’s a cardboard tube with balsawood fins and nosecone, with a metal strip holding the motor in, and a streamer for recovery.

I’d forget the overpriced launching electronics if I were you; fuse sounds like fun, but I don’t know where to get any.
My rocket used electric igniters (on the shelf next to the engines, almost free), a decent length of what might at one point have been phone wire, and a 9V battery. It’s not going to go off by accident.

My ‘launchpad’ consisted of a coat hanger I’d managed to get really really straight stuck in to the ground, and a blast shield of a thin sheet of metal I found someplace. Note that it’s really easy to set grass on fire with one of these if you leave out the launch pad, or you have a launch failure where it falls sideways running on the field. (We set a good bit of the field on fire the last way when nobody noticed it grow for a while).

Regulations on firing these things off are pretty variable from place to place. In my case out on the farm there were none at all, so I’m not the person to ask about them. Contact your local authorities and ask them what the rules are.

This site has hundreds of plans posted of out-of-production rockets. The Solar Warrior however seems to be absent. You might try eBay.

You might want to check with the local club. They can steer you to all the good places to launch. They also probably have an upcoming launch you might want to attend where you can get specific advice and help for your first launch. Also, there maybe much larger ships there being launched that can be quite impressive.

Never heard of this. Might be a local California thing where fires start if you think warm thoughts.
I never had much luck with the Estes controllers – they couldn’t put out enough juice to reliably light the igniters. I used a car battery (almost certainly overkill).
Safety is probably the key issue here. You’re shooting off a projectile that can do some damage if you’re not careful. Make sure everyone is well, well back when you light the rocket off. Make sure that there is absolutely no chance of the igniter going off when someone is working on the rocket. And make sure the launching rod is securely vertical so that the rocket doesn’t take off in some unintended direction.