[moderating] Enough about Giraffe Board. We do not moderate what goes on at another board and have no interest in starting. If you have a problem with something there then go there and complain. It is not forbidden to mention that board or other site but this forum is called About This Message Board. I think that’s pretty self explanatory. No more discussions about GB in this thread. If you wish to keep discussing SDMB policy go right ahead. [\moderating]
Dude. Your very first post in this thread steered the conversation to GB. The OP was referring to one poster, posting on this board. As has been pointed out, the posts in question were roundly denounced on GB as over the line. So no, I don’t think any “general pattern” is implicated here, other than your desire to make it so. In the same way that octopus is determined to make it about the Pit.
I’m not trying to make it about the Pit. I’m looking for solutions to prevent harassment of board members and guests. That just happens to be the place where most of that sort of behavior is encouraged or tolerated.
Just for the record. This place is increasingly striking me as pathetic and juvenile with a variety of cliques and in-out groups. High school was more mature than this place is recently seeming to me. The jerk to decency ratio is getting higher and higher and the level of assholishness stronger.
The fact that this thread was able to start off with the above inappropriate jerkiness let pass without moderation (and yes I reported it) is exactly illustrative of what the op was talking about.
And now in what seems to be a related note - Is it really in the SDMB’s interest to have had the ATMB forum be used for a GB in-group which seems to include many of this board’s mods to play games with each other, as in this thread? (No I did not report that.)
That is all. Enjoy.
Octopus.
No one should be forced into the pit, then forced to click on a thread. Can you imagine how many people will accidentally click their poor mouse three times to get there. Then, for no reason at all, they get insulted while posting in the pit. That happens a lot?
For fuck’s sake, dude. I actually found that thread quite refreshing. There was a time on this board where mods occasionally horsed around with the posters and didn’t take it all so goddamned seriously. The current crop of mods seem to be headed more in that direction, and good for them. Why shouldn’t they? Exactly what harm comes from horsing around in a thread and having a mod prank one of the posters? (For those who didn’t read the thread, Bone banned Fenris for about 10 seconds, long enough to screenshot the banned status, unbanned him and then posted the screenshot) This is a board where misogynistic sexist fucks who get off on rape and degradation have a fan club (which seems to have diminished some over the past month, but it still exists) but bs’ing around in ATMB is the real issue here. Jesus Christ.
If that same line of reasoning is employed with regards to a thread on let’s say “Veronica vs Betty” as a hypothetical, the proposer would be attacked as an old, white, male misogynistic pig. And a Pit Thread would be opened in his/her honor. Complete with Bingo cards. Just saying.
No one is accidentally clicking their mouse three times and being forced to read those threads. Yet, the mere presence of such is considered hostility, making people feel unwelcome or undervalued, and should just not exist in this day and age. So which is it, Morgenstern?
Dickish, not jerkish. There’s a difference.
What that difference is, I’ll never know, but I hope it works out.
Ok, getting back to non GB issues, let me ask a question that’s gotten lost in the hijack.
Still a very jerkish remark, since you are clearly suggesting the OP deserves to be banned. I would strongly suggest that you refrain from this kind of antagonistic behavior in ATMB. Your post was not at all constructive.
My problems with that:
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Attacking mentally ill people for their mental illness already is hate speech. People with mental illnesses are a minority. And any attack on someone for the thing that makes them a minority is hate speech.
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There is no reason you have to be the one who decides. Because mental illness is not a matter that you need to diagnose. You are not the one who needs to figure out if someone is crazy enough.
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It’s generally fairly obvious when someone is just calling someone “crazy” and when they are bringing up their mental illness. You can tell by the post itself and posting history.
Let me give an example in my own history. I post something that I passionately feel is morally wrong. Some posters disagree with me. Some people even say I’m a moron for saying it. But one poster specifically says something akin to “If you care so much, why don’t you get out of your house and do something about it?” You don’t have to do any real searching to figure out that this was not attacking me because of my ideas, but for my mental illness.
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If someone is always going after a particular poster and stalking them in threads, bringing up an issue that is irrelevant to the situation at hand, that is already against the rules. All I would propose is that this be less lenient when it comes to mental illness or trans status or any other situation where someone has revealed their minority status. Once a poster attacks someone for their minority status, put them on a short leash.
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And there’s no need for you to constantly patrol to figure this out. Make it where you only consider it if the poster in question brings it up (via report, PM, or ATMB).
All I want is for the minority status of the mentally ill to be treated the same as other minorities. If someone was going around making fun of someone for being black or a woman or gay or trans etc. over and over, I’m sure you’d call it hate speech. So just do that with the mentally ill. No need even for new rules.
As for my response to Chimera:
Dude, I totally feel ya. I have had this happen to me before. It fucking sucks. I revealed information I wish I never had.
That said, you seem to be upset about one poster. If you leave, you are only letting that poster win. That is why I never left. As I’ve said before, you lose 100% of the battles you don’t fight. Now people who regularly harass me get other Dopers jumping in to defend.
Which, BTW, I’m sorry I didn’t have a chance to do so. There are certain posts and threads that make me so angry I worry that I will say something I can’t take back, so I do not read many of those posts and/or threads. As such, I unfortunately miss some of this stuff. I apologize, but I do have my own mental well being to consider as well.
Still, I want you to know that I am willing to stand by you. Don’t ever feel you are alone and have to leave. I admit, I’ve had some differences with you in the past, but you are a generally a good poster who provides value to the board. I’m going to hope for a temporary flounce to take care of yourself.
I actually now promise to never attack anyone who says they have to leave but decides to come back. I got a better look at why people leave in the women thread, and I can’t fault anyone for that. Everyone, feel free to hold me to that if I forget.
The only way I’d be happy for the Mods to moderate mental health harassment is if people who claim mental health-based harassment are prepared to send a signed doctor’s note to the mods when they report such harassment. because…remember Umkay? People can **say **they’re anything, especially if it gets them out of an argument. And even “but they posted that self-description a year ago” isn’t a defense, trolls make the Boyscouts look unprepared - witness how some have stealth socks for years.
Same reasons I don’t report race-based Pit posts directed at me anymore (if I ever did, I don’t remember)-
a) I could actually have been Whitey McWypipo back here, who’s to really know
b) the actual hate speech rules are sufficient
c) It amuses me that the Board racists think they’re clever when they’re really, really not
now, you can argue that b) also covers mental health (as a minority) but
a) I doubt most of the people on here claiming mental health issues are anything but self-diagnosed
b) you better come up with a really bright line rule, or expect a lot of line-toeing on one hand, and reporting of the most picayune shit on the other.
and ETA c) It really doesn’t seem like we’re a minority on this Board (and that includes me).
Thank you for elaborating. It sounds like we’re back to harassment as the core issue. Without reports, I think that will be hard to track.
This is an important thing to remember about the internet in general.
So if I once mention somewhere on the board that I am mildly agoraphobic, no one can ever reference me being a shut in? If I say that I was once diagnosed with Bipolar Type 1, no one can ever refer to me as being manic or depressed?
Sorry, asking a mod to monitor the mental health of each and every poster is simply a bridge too far.
Yes, clear episodes of stalking are clear. But if someone wants to go after me for something I have chosen to share with the board at large - how is that “hate speech”?
That being said, there is something fucked up about taking what a poster has shared about a past episode and twisting it to throw shade on the OP that is profoundly fucked up.
I was in an abusive relationship earlier in my life. Does that mean that I should be told that I am mis-representing the hell I went through, or that I deserved it in some way? Nor should Chimera.
It’s pretty fucking obvious why you want to continue harassing the mentally ill, as you are one of the handful of people I’ve noticed doing it. Along with insults based on sexuality.
That said, I’m still opposed to more moderation in the Pit, as it allows people like Dibble here to show what they’re really like.
I hope y’all reconsider this, for several reasons:
- This problem we’re discussing is absolutely on this messageboard, but it’s uniquely tied up in The Place We Must Not Name. For this one specific thread, it’d be real helpful if the rule could be relaxed.
- This situation is really different from the ones that led to the “no cross-board-drama” rule. The SwarmRunters weren’t active members of this board, for one thing, and they didn’t have tens of thousands of posts dedicated to talking about this board.
- Certainly I don’t think y’all need to moderate TPWMNN. But talking about what’s going on can help mods here be aware of a behavior that (IMO) partially originates elsewehere; and talking about it can similarly help members of both boards be aware of dynamics that can be harmful even if they don’t intend it, and those members can choose whether to moderate their OWN behavior.
I definitely get not wanting every third IMHO thread to devolve into a shouting match over TPWMNN. But relaxing the rules for this one thread could make the discussion more fruitful, IMO.
I don’t think bright-line is necessary, since that’ll lead to foolish rulings. A guideline–don’t weaponize others’ personal trauma, especially not in unrelated threads–can be adjudicated by mods on a case-by-case basis.