Shame on Chimera for reporting a problem? Snitches get stitches? How dare he complain?
And there you are talking to someone who has you on ignore, hoping someone else will quote you in full so he can read what you said. This does not reflect well on* you.*
Every single one of us here has a right to report a post. Every single one of us has a right to post their concerns about the message board. For you to say “that’s a bad move” when someone exercises that right just lends weight to Chimera’s claim that there are some people here who wish him ill and want to make him a victim and/or leave.
I really hope the mods don’t remain silent on this one, because in my mind you are seriously violating the “don’t be a jerk” rule.
On the other hand, Morgenstern took personal details about Chimera’s divorce, added in speculation and embellishment, and crafted it into a hurtful statement to hurl back at Chimera. That strikes more as more than simply dickishly repeating shared information and goes into actual malice.
I did not know that. As it happens, I did not need such assistance but the thought is appreciated. While I have had differences with “Raffers” as you call them I do know many of them are decent, thoughtful, and kind people.
That said…
Some “Raffers” do meet my definition of “bully” and “harasser”. I realize you may or may not disagree with my assessment of those individuals so let’s just leave it at that.
I agree with you that that’s what happened. It was more than just repeating details.
What you say about actual malice highlights IMO something that I think is important, but I don’t think is easily moderated or easily formulated into rules. The Pit ought to be sort of semi-lighthearted. “Playing the dozens” is the term I learned - over the top hyperbole, creative insults, artistic snark, one-upmanship. Certainly they can be seriously meant - “you are a horrible person because you circumcised your cat/voted for a Republican/called Joss Whedon a hack/whatever” isn’t the wrong reason to Pit someone. But there is a non-bright line that ought not, IMO, to be crossed. Is using personal details crossing that line? I don’t know - if a Doper publishes personal details, those details become part of their public persona, and the Pit is the place to attack other posters for what they say in public.
It seems odd to me that no one has Pitted anybody as a result of the behavior under discussion. Perhaps if I get some time I will remedy that lack.
No. People are free to do whatever they want on another site. We moderate behavior here. I spend enough time here I’m not going to monitor another board. I’m not going to take the word of snitches. All that matters is what is actually posted here. That’s all we can have control over. The registration agreement does not cover behavior on other boards. As far as I can tell there is a lot less off board drama going on now than there was in the past and it wasn’t modded then either.
FTR I think I signed up at GB when it started but I don’t remember my log in. I have no problem with it and I may go there sometime but I’m not now. I don’t know how active other mods are there.
Do not bring up Giraffe Board again in this thread. See my previous instruction.
You understand there’s a difference between making up mental deficiencies and absurd sexual proclivities to get someone’s goat in the Pit, and bringing up people’s actual (or, at least, self-publicized) mental illnesses or kinks, right?
One is what I do (and am happy to admit it), and one isn’t. And I do it in the Pit, which - I know you actually do know this - is the only forum for attacking other posters directly. And especially with the kinks, I try and make them so over-the-top that no-one sensible would take them seriously.
Of course, if anyone out there was coincidentally insulted by me in the Pit for a kink or disability they’ve actually admitted to somewhere else, I’m happy to publicly apologise and stop doing that, for that particular person.
What I’m not going to do is make “generally crazy” or “depravedly perverse” into actual protected classes in Pit posts. And I’m also not going to buy any “But you called me a squirrel-botherer, didn’t you know I belong to a Squirrel- Botherer Support Group, you insensitive clod!” post hoc accusations - even if it were convincing, it’s not going to make me sorry I called you that.
On your message board you can set up a forum like that. That’s not what the Pit is. That’s not what it ever was. It seems to me that it’s actually less hostile than it was in the past. Before my time it was determined that heated arguments and personal animus was getting in the way of debates and discussions. The Pit was made as a relief valve for that hostility. It was not made to playfully rib another poster. That’s not going to change anytime soon. The Pit is not for everyone and throughout the life of the board many have decided to not go there. That’s fine, everyone has there own personal preferences.
Miller was pretty clear in his post about how he moderates. He does get every report. There are rules even in the Pit and if someone crosses the line it will get modded.
This is pretty nonresponsive to everything I wrote, like, pre-first-cup-of-coffee nonresponsive; but it also forbids any response from me, so well played, I suppose. Maybe some other mods can respond.
I wasn’t suggesting a change to the rules, and I have no particular issue with how Miller (or you, or any of the other mods) handle their job. It was more along the line of the recent flurry of threads about what we, as Dopers and posters, can do to make the boards more woman-friendly or non-sexist or however it should be phrased. What we can do - not what the mods can or should do.
I won’t say I never crossed the line I attempted to draw. I was usually sorry after I did so, whether or not I was modded for it. I am not saying the Pit should be all parody threads, or all Kumbaya and fluffy bunnies. And as I mentioned, I am not even sure that bringing up personal details, or another poster’s psychological issues, crosses a line even in the Pit. That’s not my call.
Cervaise’s immortal “The Telemarketer Speaks - I Respond” is an example of the sort of thing I would like to see more of, and attacking Chimera something I would like to see less of. There is a rule against saying “fuck you” in the Pit, at least in part because saying “fuck you” is easy and saying “you have been banned from your local zoo for sexually harassing the llamas” takes at least a little imagination. ISTM that a little imagination is better and more entertaining, and therefore better for the boards, than none. YMMV.
You’re buying in the hysteria with your life savings. Let’s look at what really happened. I let LHoD hijack this thread because it was funny. Let’s set it straight.
Why would I think Chimera was -------". Many reasons, mostly from his posts. They mostly have major anger issues. He’s offered to “beat up people” (figuratively) by being a warrior for women in the pit. See Sunny’s thread.
And see this gem.
*…I’m just an average middle aged white guy, but I’d say that at least once or thrice a year someone, usually a woman, will make some stupid comment about how I look creepy or I make them nervous just by going about my business. Usually I blow it off, but if I’m suffering a bout of anxiety or depression (yesterday was a very bad day), then that sort of stuff hits harder, gets really offensive and I react.
Hell, 30 years ago I rode up the elevator in our company parking ramp, my employee badge clearly visible on my shirt and yet some fucking idiot woman cowered in the back of the elevator staring at me with her mace in her hand. I was young and very angry about this and if she had maced me for no reason but her fear,** I’d have likely beaten her within an inch of her life**, but I stood there, on the other side of the elevator, kept my face looking neutral and at the door…* https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20950070&postcount=614
color mine. That was from last month on the dope, last month.
Look at what he said. ** Beaten her within an inch of her life. ** You know what we call in CA… attempted murder. Guy is touting that he let a woman, cowering in fear from him, bother him so much that he carried these thoughts of his possibly attempting to murdering her for 30 fucking years. I’m not a professional here , certainly no psych, but this ain’t normal. Normal men don’t have thoughts about beating women within an inch of their life. See, he’s one of the people here who has earned my lack of trust in what he posts.
So anyway, IF he returns, In the proper forum, at the proper time, I’ll ask him about his desire to murder this woman, and we’ll all make our own little lay minds up abourt his sanity. We don’t need a doctor or a report. He will give us all we need.
That, and it’s hard to see someone with this much anger as a victim that a woman cowering in the corner scared him so much ha had to consider murdering her if she moved the wrong way.
I’m glad to hear that. I reported Morgenstern for following me around the pit a while ago. Didn’t get a response from Miller, but I’m sure it’s been noted in some capacity, especially considering other users are noticing it and possibly reporting it too.
Morgenstern, I’m not playing your game. I’m not joining in your campaign to drag a poster’s personal problems that may or may not exist into yet another unrelated thread.
Normal men (and women) also don’t live for pointing and laughing at people. Get the beam out of your eye before worrying about the splinter in Chimeras.
There are other interpretations of his post. He was upset about being profiled because of his gender. It hurt him. He wanted to strike back but he didn’t. These sorts of thoughts are very common if not often spoken about.
Your desire to reopen this without provocation is consistent with stalking.
Yes, I do not see how what Morgenstern brought up in his most recent post is relevant, except to ask the mods why they allow him to continue to proclaim his intention to take digs at another poster in future without saying anything. That is related to approving by silence, but I have no desire to engage Morgentstern in any form of discussion. I have no desire to quote him since he’s stated that’s a way for his jabs at posters who have him on ignore to be shown to those posters. And I have no desire to sidetrack this thread into Morgenstern’s pet causes, or assist him in being a bully.